Joe Rogan Experience #1744 - Derek from More Plates More Dates
Derek (More Plates More Dates) (guest), Narrator, Joe Rogan (host), Narrator, Narrator
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Derek (More Plates More Dates) and Narrator, Joe Rogan Experience #1744 - Derek from More Plates More Dates explores steroids, sports cheating, and male health myths on Joe Rogan Joe Rogan and Derek (More Plates More Dates) dive deep into performance-enhancing drugs in sports and entertainment, dissecting how athletes, fighters, and bodybuilders actually cheat testing systems and the risks they take. They explore the mechanics of anti‑doping tests, designer drugs, micro‑dosing, and famous cases like Lance Armstrong, Russian Olympic doping, Jon Jones, and TRT in the UFC. The conversation expands into broader male health topics: testosterone replacement, growth hormone, sleep apnea, obesity, training, and body dysmorphia. Underneath the stories is a recurring theme of transparency—why public figures lie about PEDs, what honest use can look like, and how men can manage hormones and health more intelligently.
Steroids, sports cheating, and male health myths on Joe Rogan
Joe Rogan and Derek (More Plates More Dates) dive deep into performance-enhancing drugs in sports and entertainment, dissecting how athletes, fighters, and bodybuilders actually cheat testing systems and the risks they take. They explore the mechanics of anti‑doping tests, designer drugs, micro‑dosing, and famous cases like Lance Armstrong, Russian Olympic doping, Jon Jones, and TRT in the UFC. The conversation expands into broader male health topics: testosterone replacement, growth hormone, sleep apnea, obesity, training, and body dysmorphia. Underneath the stories is a recurring theme of transparency—why public figures lie about PEDs, what honest use can look like, and how men can manage hormones and health more intelligently.
Key Takeaways
Anti‑doping systems are advanced but still full of exploitable loopholes.
Micro‑dosing bioidentical testosterone, EPO, and GH, using designer or animal‑derived hormones, and building personal ‘biological passports’ allow some elite athletes to enhance performance while staying under current detection thresholds.
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TRT at ‘normal’ levels can still be a major performance edge in sports.
Even if total testosterone is kept within the normal lab range, exogenous TRT gives a steady, non‑fluctuating hormone level and often lowers SHBG, boosting free testosterone beyond what a natural athlete with the same total T could sustain, especially under heavy training and weight cuts.
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Honest, medically managed testosterone replacement can be life‑changing for aging men.
Rogan and Derek argue that for non‑competitors, treating clinically low testosterone (with monitoring and bloodwork) can improve energy, muscle mass, bone density, and quality of life, and shouldn’t be stigmatized as ‘cheating’ the way sports doping is.
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Sleep apnea is a silent, underrated killer—especially for big, muscular or obese men.
Undiagnosed apnea wrecks sleep quality, daytime function, and long‑term cardiovascular health; tools like CPAP or effective oral devices can be a complete game‑changer, but many men avoid diagnosis out of ignorance or vanity.
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Carrying extreme muscle mass and abusing PEDs dramatically shorten lifespans.
Examples like Mark Kerr, Rich Piana, and Ronnie Coleman illustrate that staying huge into your 40s+ with high‑dose cycles and brutal training leads to organ strain, orthopedic destruction, addiction, and early death or severe disability.
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Body dysmorphia appears across subcultures, from emaciated influencers to extreme bodybuilders and implant addicts.
They connect anorexic YouTubers, women with grotesque implants, and men who can’t downsize after bodybuilding, showing how distorted self‑image can override obvious health risks and outside feedback.
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Consistent training, cardio, hydration, and sleep often rival or beat drugs for healthspan.
They highlight data like Peter Attia’s point that high cardiorespiratory fitness lowers all‑cause mortality ~5x and note how basic practices—strength work, conditioning, diet, sleep optimization—outperform any single pill or injection for longevity.
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Notable Quotes
“Anybody at a top level is trying to figure out what kind of edge they can get.”
— Derek
“If you have a higher SHBG, you have less free testosterone that actually is available to do activity.”
— Derek
“When I was a kid, when you were 54 years old, you were fucking dead.”
— Joe Rogan
“I’ve seen so many bodybuilders die in their 30s and 40s. A lot of my research has been developed around trying to not die and live a long, healthy life while using things like testosterone.”
— Derek
“There’s definitely a huge stigma around it still. People ultimately know that it’s not TRT-limit levels if you’re walking around at fucking The Rock size.”
— Derek
Questions Answered in This Episode
Where should the ethical line be drawn between legitimate medical hormone replacement and performance enhancement in competitive sports?
Joe Rogan and Derek (More Plates More Dates) dive deep into performance-enhancing drugs in sports and entertainment, dissecting how athletes, fighters, and bodybuilders actually cheat testing systems and the risks they take. ...
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Given how advanced doping strategies have become, is truly ‘clean’ elite sport even possible, or is it an illusion we maintain for fans?
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How much responsibility do celebrities and influencers have to be transparent about their PED use when their physiques shape public expectations?
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Could a more open, medically supervised approach to androgens and peptides reduce the health damage caused by underground, unsupervised use?
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What psychological and social factors drive extreme body modification and dysmorphia, and how could health professionals intervene earlier?
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hello, Derek.
Hey, how's it going?
Nice to meet you in real life.
Yeah.
I've seen, uh, ah, man, fucking dozens of your videos, so, uh, it's cool meeting you in person.
No, yeah, long overdue I feel like.
How did you get started?
Um, for me, I've always sort of just been like a nerd about pharmacology and biology, endocrinology, stuff like that, and I've always just researched online about random stuff. And eventually, um, I was encouraged by a few people to start posting online, and I was, uh, I just started writing out blog articles on a WordPress site maybe like five and a half years ago or something at this point, and eventually it got to the point where I guess YouTube was already big, but it wasn't that- what it is now. And I was just asking people in the, I don't know, like male self-improvement niche that I was friends with, "Do you think I should be posting videos too, instead of just writing these articles?" And they said, "Yeah, it's a no-brainer, you should be." So, I just started basically reiterating my articles in video format too, and then eventually the YouTube sort of outpaced the WordPress site. And that's why it's always, you know, Derek from moreplatesmoredays.com, that website was where-
Right.
... I originally wrote my articles. And that eventually got to the point where it wasn't very time-efficient to write, unfortunately, so I kind of like moved disproportionately towards video format 'cause I can just fire off a video in, I don't know, 15 minutes, that otherwise that in written format would take five-plus hours to write out, if not longer.
Well, I love the fact that you have, like, the- your production is very minimalist. You have a- an air conditioner behind you-
(laughs)
... wood-paneled wall.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like-
Yeah.
... y- there's no attempt at all to, like, glitz and glamour-
Yeah.
... but it's just good content.
Yeah.
I mean, a- you just hit a million subscribers, so obviously something- it's working, you know? It's working well.
Yeah.
But it's- what you're doing is just you- you have a unique ability to pull information out of the air, like you- you remember stuff, like how things work and how things, you know, like how... Especially when you- you were talking about catching people that are doing steroids.
Yeah.
Like when, like, there's been many times you've gone over people's blood work and it's very educational. I learned a lot about it, especially, like, before I watched your videos, I thought, "Oh, USADA, like, there's no way anybody can cheat with USADA around."
Mm-hmm.
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