Joe Rogan Experience #1694 - Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper
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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Joe Rogan and Narrator, Joe Rogan Experience #1694 - Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper explores ms. Pat and Jordan Cooper Rebuild the Sitcom With Raw Honesty Joe Rogan talks with comedian Ms. Pat and writer‑creator Jordan E. Cooper about building *The Ms. Pat Show*, a raw, multi‑cam sitcom based on her life, now on BET+.
Ms. Pat and Jordan Cooper Rebuild the Sitcom With Raw Honesty
Joe Rogan talks with comedian Ms. Pat and writer‑creator Jordan E. Cooper about building *The Ms. Pat Show*, a raw, multi‑cam sitcom based on her life, now on BET+.
They detail a four‑year battle through multiple studios, skeptical executives, and writer-room clashes to preserve Pat’s unfiltered voice, language, and painful backstory inside a traditional sitcom format.
The conversation ranges from Hollywood’s fear of risk and notes culture to specific episodes on school shootings, gender pronouns, slurs, and family trauma, and how comedy can transform deep pain into empowerment.
They also digress into stand‑up war stories, parenting, STD anecdotes, hunting, nature, and the oddities of culture and history, all orbiting around authenticity and creative control.
Key Takeaways
Protecting your authentic voice is non‑negotiable, even if it delays success.
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Backdoor solutions and initiative can override gatekeepers.
Pat and Jordan quietly wrote their own pilot behind the studio’s back, removed his name so he wouldn’t be disqualified if it failed, and only revealed the truth once executives loved the script.
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The right collaborator can translate a raw life into a working format.
Jordan, a 26‑year‑old playwright obsessed with old sitcoms, catalogued Pat’s off‑the‑cuff lines, studied her book and stand‑up, and built a multi‑cam structure that lets her be herself instead of a network‑approved caricature.
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Live audiences keep comedy honest and sharper than laugh tracks.
They insisted on a live studio audience—even during COVID—shooting two shows per episode so jokes are tested in real time instead of relying on canned laughs or writers laughing at their own material.
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Comedy can carry very heavy subjects if the intent and execution are clear.
Episodes tackle a school shooting, the N‑word and other slurs, gender‑nonconforming pronouns, porn, and Pat’s abusive ex; they use humor as a ‘Trojan horse’ to open hard conversations without preaching.
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Sometimes you must delay telling a story until you’re personally ready.
Pat pulled an episode about her molestation after it was written, recognizing she hadn’t healed enough; she later filmed another deeply personal episode about her ex and described feeling like she finally “won” driving home in tears.
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Industry systems often resist risk until results force respect.
Hulu executives called the pilot “not premium content” despite it testing among their highest; BET+ only picked it up later, and now the show’s success will likely retroactively validate the very risks others rejected.
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Notable Quotes
“If you gonna go down, go down for what you believe in. I almost went down twice for what I did not believe in.”
— Ms. Pat
“I wanted to make Pat the Black female Archie Bunker—funnier, though.”
— Jordan E. Cooper
“Hollywood don’t want you until somebody else done fucked you and bust your booty hole.”
— Ms. Pat
“We’re doing a new kind of sitcom. It’s like a comedy show meets a sitcom—a Trojan horse so we can talk about real shit but laugh on the way.”
— Jordan E. Cooper
“Out of all the shit… the voices I still hear in my head from the way my mama treat me, that night I actually felt like I won.”
— Ms. Pat
Questions Answered in This Episode
How much further do you want to push the envelope in future seasons—what topics still scare you to touch with comedy?
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If Hulu had picked up the show, how do you think it would have been different creatively from the BET+ version?
They detail a four‑year battle through multiple studios, skeptical executives, and writer-room clashes to preserve Pat’s unfiltered voice, language, and painful backstory inside a traditional sitcom format.
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What specific boundaries did you set in the writers’ room to ensure jokes stayed authentic to Pat’s voice without turning trauma into cheap shock?
The conversation ranges from Hollywood’s fear of risk and notes culture to specific episodes on school shootings, gender pronouns, slurs, and family trauma, and how comedy can transform deep pain into empowerment.
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When you revisited painful personal stories for episodes, did any of them change how you now see those people or events in your real life?
They also digress into stand‑up war stories, parenting, STD anecdotes, hunting, nature, and the oddities of culture and history, all orbiting around authenticity and creative control.
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What advice would you give a young comic or writer who has a raw, unconventional story but is being pressured by executives to make it more “palatable”?
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(drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Oh, hello, Ms. Pat.
Hello, Joe Rogan.
Good to see you again. Please introduce-
This is-
... your friend.
... this is Jordan E. Cooper, the co-creator of The Ms. Pat Show.
Which, by the way, is a fucking hilarious show. I was nervous when peop- when f- when friends say, "I got a, a new show." You're like, "Oh, I gotta watch this shit." 'Cause so many times you watch your friend's show and it's not good. Your show is fucking good. It's a real solid sitcom, so-
Thank you. (clapping)
(clapping)
Bravo.
Thank you. (laughs) And right out of the gate it's solid. You know, sitcoms take years to get their legs, at least a few episodes. But right out of the gate, your show is very solid.
I wish you knew how hard it was for me to text you to ask you to watch it. I text-
(laughs)
... I s- I typed the text and I was like, "Oh, I can't." 'Cause I know how honest you are. And, and then when I was like... I, I, it took me months and I was like, "But I gotta ask him." 'Cause I was like, "If Joe like it, then I feel like you, you..." It was, it was, it was a seal, a solid foundation.
Mm-hmm.
And I was like, "If I could just..." 'Cause I got Ari to watch it and he was like, "It's really good." And I was like, "I just wanna see if Joe will watch it." And I know how fucking busy you are. And I kept... When I sent the text and I was like, "Oh my god. Oh my god. He's not gonna watch it." And when I hit you back, A, and you was like, "I'm in the Mediterranean." Whatever the fuck that word you use. You somewhere where the, what, for, where birds don't have wings, but they still fly. You was on vacation.
Where was I?
Somewhere rich people go. (laughs)
Birds don't have wings-
(laughs)
(laughs)
... but they still fly?
What kind of riddle is this?
(laughs)
(laughs)
(laughing) What the fuck?
It's called a crackhead.
(laughs)
(laughing) Birds don't have wings and they still fly? What?
I just imagine that's where you, fuck you was at. (laughs)
(laughs)
(laughing) I can't.
Some heavenly place I c-
Oh, okay.
... I can't afford to go.
Oh, I was on vacation.
You was on vacation.
Oh, okay.
I think you said you was in the Mediterranean. I'm fucking up the word.
Oh, probably the Caribbean.
Uh, it started with a M.
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