Joe Rogan Experience #1894 - Suzanne Santo
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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Narrator and Narrator, Joe Rogan Experience #1894 - Suzanne Santo explores boundaries, health, and art: Joe Rogan, Suzanne Santo go deep Joe Rogan and musician Suzanne Santo have a long, free‑flowing conversation ranging from fitness discipline, mental health, and COVID-era cultural polarization to diet, seed oils, and obesity.
Boundaries, health, and art: Joe Rogan, Suzanne Santo go deep
Joe Rogan and musician Suzanne Santo have a long, free‑flowing conversation ranging from fitness discipline, mental health, and COVID-era cultural polarization to diet, seed oils, and obesity.
They dig into personal boundaries, family dysfunction, and how relationships can balance softness and toughness, while also critiquing social media outrage, censorship, and pandemic policy.
A large portion of the discussion covers health and nutrition—carnivore diets, seed oils, lab findings on COVID and fat tissue—alongside broader concerns about personal responsibility versus victimhood.
Later, they move into creativity and the modern entertainment industry, with Santo performing unreleased songs live, reflecting on the realities of touring, streaming economics, and redefining success as an artist.
Key Takeaways
Discipline often means removing your “way out,” not waiting for motivation.
Rogan describes how committing to daily workouts during Sober October forced consistency; Santo admits she struggles with that ‘no escape’ mindset, highlighting that building systems beats relying on willpower.
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Unaddressed health issues magnified COVID fears and outcomes.
They argue that poor metabolic health, obesity, and sedentary lifestyles left many more vulnerable—citing data on SARS‑CoV‑2 infecting fat tissue and ICU obesity rates—yet open discussion of weight and lifestyle remains taboo.
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Ultra‑processed foods and seed oils have hidden, systemic impacts.
Santo’s food intolerance testing flagged canola and other seed oils; combined with Rogan’s longstanding criticism, they frame cutting industrial oils and processed dressings as a straightforward lever for better digestion, skin, and energy.
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Setting and enforcing boundaries can radically change your emotional life.
Santo shares how marrying a “pit bull” personality taught her to stop being a doormat, say no to dysfunctional relationships, and accept that protecting your peace will inevitably disappoint some people.
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Victimhood and outsourcing responsibility are seductive but corrosive.
They criticize habitually blaming external factors—sexism, politics, industry, health policy—for personal stagnation, arguing you must still honestly audit your own work, mindset, and choices even in a chaotic world.
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Social media amplifies mental contagions and identity cults.
From COVID hysteria to ideological “teams,” they suggest people often repeat group positions without deep thought, incentivized by likes, outrage, and fear of ostracism, which distorts both public discourse and private anxiety.
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Redefining artistic success can preserve joy in a broken business model.
Santo is candid about struggling to fill rooms and make money touring post‑COVID; instead of quitting, she’s learning production tools, exploring writing for others, and reframing success around connection, craft, and local opportunities.
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Notable Quotes
“The key is to not have a way out.”
— Joe Rogan
“Some people never fix any problems. They just have new ones.”
— Joe Rogan
“I’ve kind of got a pit bull for a husband who helps defend me against those poor choices.”
— Suzanne Santo
“I don’t know what’s my fault and what is just the circumstance in the state of my industry.”
— Suzanne Santo
“I just wanna have a good time. I wanna give love, receive love, enjoy my life experience.”
— Suzanne Santo
Questions Answered in This Episode
How much of our pandemic-era behavior was genuine fear versus learned, socially reinforced anxiety?
Joe Rogan and musician Suzanne Santo have a long, free‑flowing conversation ranging from fitness discipline, mental health, and COVID-era cultural polarization to diet, seed oils, and obesity.
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Where is the ethical line between respecting body positivity and honestly addressing obesity as a health risk?
They dig into personal boundaries, family dysfunction, and how relationships can balance softness and toughness, while also critiquing social media outrage, censorship, and pandemic policy.
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What practical steps can a ‘people pleaser’ take to start setting boundaries without feeling cruel or selfish?
A large portion of the discussion covers health and nutrition—carnivore diets, seed oils, lab findings on COVID and fat tissue—alongside broader concerns about personal responsibility versus victimhood.
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As streaming devalues recorded music, what new models could let mid‑level artists like Santo build sustainable careers?
Later, they move into creativity and the modern entertainment industry, with Santo performing unreleased songs live, reflecting on the realities of touring, streaming economics, and redefining success as an artist.
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If neural implants and AI truly enhance cognition, how do we retain what is uniquely human rather than becoming ‘better machines’?
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Mm, Suzanne.
(laughs)
What's happening? Good to see you, my friend.
Oh, it's good to see you.
You look lovely.
(laughs) Oh, thanks.
You look invigorated.
Thank you. Well, I went to the gym and-
Oh.
... you know, been, been, uh, eating well. I don't know.
Nice.
Trying to take care of the vessel.
Yesterday was my first day that I didn't work out for a whole month, because-
Yeah.
... we did that Sober October thing.
Yeah.
Worked out every day of the week.
So, do you... Is that not your usual? Your norm?
Not usually, but I kind of did it in September to get ready for October, to just, like, get my body conditioned-
Right.
... to this idea that we're going at it every day.
Mm-hmm. Do you, uh... And do you guys have, like, a contest of, like, who burns the most calories or something?
We didn't.
Or...
We can't have a contest-
(laughs)
... 'cause we'd just get too stupid.
(laughs)
'Cause Bert drives me crazy, and then I, I go psycho.
Okay.
So, we've decided no more contests, 'cause we did a contest that one year and we went, we went insane. I was doing cardio, like, seven hours a day.
Oh, my God.
Yeah. 'Cause w- it was a contest to see who-
How did you do... And you did a podcast and-
Yeah.
And you have a family and you just did-
Yeah. I would just get up in the morning and bang out seven hours of cardio.
What time do you get up?
Then, I was getting up at, like, 7:00.
Damn.
So I was 7:00 and then I was just going straight. I'd just have some caffeine and go straight to the gym.
(laughs) That's impressive.
But I was just ex- it was psychotic. We were just-
Yeah.
... in competition with each other.
Yeah.
It was totally unsustainable.
I don't have that edge of, like... I mean, I can power through some stuff. Like, I, I was actually working at it, on it for a little bit. Uh, and I liked it, but, um, after, like, the two-hour workout, uh, and then, like, we didn't stretch, you know?
Mm-hmm.
And then I'd, like, go home and stretch, and I was like, I just didn't have that much time in my day-
Yeah.
... to dedicate to it. But, like, it's impressive that you can just power through your discomfort. If, like, if you don't wanna go, you still go, right?
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