Joe Rogan Experience #1943 - Joel Turner
Joe Rogan (host), Joel Turner (guest)
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Joe Rogan and Joel Turner, Joe Rogan Experience #1943 - Joel Turner explores archery, Anxiety, and Shot Control: A Mental Blueprint For Life Joe Rogan and Joel Turner use archery and bowhunting as a framework to unpack how the human mind reacts under high stress and how to consciously override those reactions.
Archery, Anxiety, and Shot Control: A Mental Blueprint For Life
Joe Rogan and Joel Turner use archery and bowhunting as a framework to unpack how the human mind reacts under high stress and how to consciously override those reactions.
Turner explains his Shot IQ system, built from decades as a struggling archer, SWAT sniper, and firearms instructor, and rooted in concepts like open vs. closed-loop motor control and neurolinguistic programming.
They show how target panic and trigger punching are manifestations of the brain’s refusal to accept surprise impact, and how deliberate self-talk, decision-making, and a repeatable shot “blueprint” create controlled, repeatable performance.
Throughout, they connect these principles to other domains—surgery, standup comedy, pool, business, and hostage rescue—arguing that practicing mental control through shooting makes all high-pressure decisions easier.
Key Takeaways
Define the real problem: your brain hates surprise impact.
Turner argues the core issue in shooting isn’t aim, but that the subconscious will not allow you to cause an explosion or impact in your own body as a true surprise—so it unconsciously adds flinches and pre-ignition movements unless you override it.
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Switch from open-loop to closed-loop control for critical movements.
Open-loop movements are fast, efficient, and automatic (like a golf swing), but too fast for feedback; in precision shooting you must deliberately use slow, stoppable (closed-loop) trigger or release movements that you consciously monitor and could halt at any point.
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Use decisions and self-talk to force true concentration.
You cannot “try” to concentrate; you must decide to, then drive attention with specific words (e. ...
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Blueprint every perfect shot so you can repeat it on demand.
After a controlled shot, Turner recommends asking four questions—what you thought, what you said, whether you could have stopped, and which decisions you made—to capture a reproducible mental sequence instead of leaving performance as a mystery.
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Practice your process, not your failure.
Many archers and shooters unknowingly rehearse their own downfall by punching triggers or rushing under mild practice stress; Turner insists every practice rep must follow the same decision and self-talk process you’ll need when the stakes are highest.
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Stay out of the “aiming room” mentally; just watch the picture.
Over-focusing on the pin or sights pulls your mind off the trigger; instead, get the aim done quickly, then simply watch the sight picture while all true concentration goes into moving the release slowly enough that you could stop it.
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Targeted stress practice in one domain generalizes to others.
Using archery or shooting to practice controlled decision-making under pressure—like Turner’s SWAT drills or Vegas archery lines—builds the same mental skills needed for surgery, flying, negotiations, standup comedy, or any high-stakes task.
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Notable Quotes
“Your mind will not allow you to cause your body impact as a surprise.”
— Joel Turner
“The problem is people practice their own failure.”
— Joel Turner
“Every shot in archery is the nine ball. Every shot is the money ball.”
— Joe Rogan
“It’s simple, but it is not easy.”
— Joel Turner
“Archery doesn’t give a fuck how many people like you.”
— Joe Rogan
Questions Answered in This Episode
How can someone who doesn’t shoot at all apply the Shot IQ principles to their own high-pressure work or personal situations?
Joe Rogan and Joel Turner use archery and bowhunting as a framework to unpack how the human mind reacts under high stress and how to consciously override those reactions.
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What are practical ways to “blueprint” a successful performance outside of shooting—like a great presentation, surgery, or negotiation?
Turner explains his Shot IQ system, built from decades as a struggling archer, SWAT sniper, and firearms instructor, and rooted in concepts like open vs. ...
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How do you teach children or teenagers, who lack life experience and strong determination, to make the kind of decisions Turner describes?
They show how target panic and trigger punching are manifestations of the brain’s refusal to accept surprise impact, and how deliberate self-talk, decision-making, and a repeatable shot “blueprint” create controlled, repeatable performance.
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Where is the line between healthy reliance on automatic skills (open-loop) and the need for conscious control (closed-loop) in different professions?
Throughout, they connect these principles to other domains—surgery, standup comedy, pool, business, and hostage rescue—arguing that practicing mental control through shooting makes all high-pressure decisions easier.
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Could systematic training in this style of mental control reduce errors and burnout in fields like policing, medicine, aviation, and education?
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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) And we're on. What's up, Joel? How are you?
How are you?
Good to see you, brother.
I'm good. Thanks for having me, man.
I'm very happy to talk to you, because, uh, you know, I think that w- what you teach applies to not just archery, but it applies to life, it applies to anxiety-filled situations. And you have figured out this one element of archery that so many people can't seem to put their finger on-
(laughs)
... and it's the anxiety of the shot.
Yeah.
You have figured this out in a way that is so useful and it's- it's so repeatable, and it's- I think it's so important. And I think a lot of people are gonna go, "Wh- wh- what? You're gonna just talk about archery shots?"
(laughs)
I think this applies to life.
Yeah.
What you've done with your- your shot IQ system, and, so let me j- explain to people that don't understand this. Um, bow hunting and archery, especially competitive archery, it's- it oftentimes boils down to this one moment, and when you have one moment and there's so much anxiety on this one moment, people have a tendency to panic and to rush through things, and I think people have found that in life-
Mm-hmm.
... in many situations, in different occupations, in different practices and disciplines, this anticipation and anxiety of one moment where they lose their mind and they don't even remember what happened.
Right.
Because they're like, "Oh!"
Yeah.
And they can't keep their shit together.
(laughs)
You have figured out a way to make a system where you- you have very clear, defined guidelines that people can follow where they could stay in the moment and not lose their fucking mind-
(laughs)
... at this moment of anticipation.
Right.
And I think the success speaks for itself. Your son, who's an incredible archer-
Mm-hmm.
... who's been taught by you, using your methods, is now, what is he? Number one in the world?
Well, I-
Well-
The ranking system is weird, but he's won every major indoor archery event that there is. He won-
And he's 15?
Well, he just turned 16, yeah.
Oh, a boy's old.
So he's- he's driving now-
(laughs)
... so that's scary as hell, but-
(laughs)
So, uh, he won Vegas at- at 15, just, I mean, he turned 15 the day before, and then he wins Vegas, which is the biggest indoor archery shoot there is.
It's huge.
Yeah. And then just to watch him up there is just amazing. To know that- I mean, I can watch him, I'm like, "Oh, yeah. This is going in." Right?
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