Joe Rogan Experience #2359 - Mike Maxwell
Narrator, Joe Rogan (host), Mike Maxwell (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest), Guest (guest)
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Narrator and Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan Experience #2359 - Mike Maxwell explores art, Jiu-Jitsu, and Authentic Living: Joe Rogan with Mike Maxwell Joe Rogan and artist Mike Maxwell trace their long friendship, from Maxwell designing the iconic JRE logo to building a life around painting without rigid goals or expectations.
Art, Jiu-Jitsu, and Authentic Living: Joe Rogan with Mike Maxwell
Joe Rogan and artist Mike Maxwell trace their long friendship, from Maxwell designing the iconic JRE logo to building a life around painting without rigid goals or expectations.
They dig into the creative process, comparing how paintings, writing, and comedy can feel like they 'make themselves' once enough groundwork is laid, and how psychedelics, discipline, and routine all play into that.
A major thread is the transformative impact of Brazilian jiu-jitsu—on humility, confidence, community, and understanding fear—contrasted with the damage of striking sports and untrained street violence.
They also veer into diet, fasting, sugar, politics, corruption, AI, dogs, and the failures of school and pharma, returning repeatedly to a core theme: choosing a hard, meaningful path over a safe, soul-deadening one.
Key Takeaways
Talent is built, not given; obsession and routine beat wishful thinking.
Maxwell emphasizes grinding at art every day for over 25 years and describes his studio time as almost six hours of meditation, underscoring that consistent, process-focused work—not 'God-given talent'—drives mastery.
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The best creative work often feels like it comes from elsewhere.
Both men describe moments where paintings, stories, or bits 'write themselves' after enough prep, echoing Steven Pressfield’s idea of 'summoning the muse' and suggesting that showing up sincerely each day invites deeper subconscious problem-solving.
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Jiu-jitsu is a powerful tool for ego control and real confidence.
They stress that getting mauled by smaller, more skilled people kills false bravado, makes street fights look stupid, and replaces anxiety with calm in chaotic situations, because you’ve repeatedly faced and managed real physical danger.
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Diet—especially sugar—quietly shapes mood, weight, and baseline well-being.
Maxwell cutting out soda and sugar led to rapid weight loss and better mood, while Rogan frames sugar as an addictive 'poison' and advocates protein- and fat-heavy diets plus intermittent fasting to avoid energy crashes and constant hunger.
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Protect your brain: striking and drugs have invisible but lasting costs.
Rogan recounts post-sparring headaches and seeing clear cognitive decline in heavy coke users and fighters, while they discuss CTE, depression, and behavior changes, arguing you must know when to quit or choose less brain-damaging paths like jiu-jitsu.
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School and pharma often pathologize what might be creative or focused energy.
Both criticize the ease of diagnosing kids with ADHD and loading them with stimulants, arguing many 'problem' kids are just bored, misdirected, or highly focused on what actually interests them, and that this energy can fuel art, comedy, or tech if channeled.
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A meaningful life means choosing hard, uncertain paths over safe misery.
They urge listeners to seriously ask whether they want a life built around a hated job and nightly numbing, or one centered on a craft they love—accepting doubt, risk, and long roads as the price of waking up excited instead of dreading each day.
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Notable Quotes
“There’s no God-given talent with art… I work every day and have been grinding at this for 25, 26 years.”
— Mike Maxwell
“Once you understand the way broadly, you see it in all things.”
— Joe Rogan (quoting Miyamoto Musashi, then tying it to art, jiu-jitsu, and comedy)
“Jiu-jitsu is like a parasite that got in me and now it’s trying to find other hosts.”
— Mike Maxwell
“If you thought about all the time it’s gonna take before you become a black belt, you’re like, ‘I can’t do this.’ But if you just think about the process, the process will get you there.”
— Joe Rogan
“Do you want your life to be really fun and rewarding, where you wake up excited about what you do, or do you want every day to be a grind until you can get a cocktail?”
— Joe Rogan
Questions Answered in This Episode
How can someone with a regular job practically adopt a 'process over goals' mindset in their own creative or professional work?
Joe Rogan and artist Mike Maxwell trace their long friendship, from Maxwell designing the iconic JRE logo to building a life around painting without rigid goals or expectations.
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If jiu-jitsu builds humility and confidence, what are realistic first steps for someone intimidated by stepping onto the mats?
They dig into the creative process, comparing how paintings, writing, and comedy can feel like they 'make themselves' once enough groundwork is laid, and how psychedelics, discipline, and routine all play into that.
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To what extent do psychedelics and altered states actually enhance creativity versus just changing perception in ways that feel profound?
A major thread is the transformative impact of Brazilian jiu-jitsu—on humility, confidence, community, and understanding fear—contrasted with the damage of striking sports and untrained street violence.
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Given the evidence of insider trading and political corruption discussed, what reforms—if any—could realistically reduce these conflicts of interest?
They also veer into diet, fasting, sugar, politics, corruption, AI, dogs, and the failures of school and pharma, returning repeatedly to a core theme: choosing a hard, meaningful path over a safe, soul-deadening one.
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How do you personally decide when a difficult path (like fighting, drugs, or overwork) is building you versus slowly destroying you?
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(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hey, Mike Maxwell.
What's happening, Joe Rogan?
My man, good to see you. Um-
It's good to be here.
For anybody who doesn't know, Mike Maxwell is an amazing artist, and did not just that painting with Quentin Tarantino in front of it, which is pretty fucking cool, but also the JRE logo.
Yeah. A minute ago.
The infamous logo. (laughs) Geez.
Yeah. So funny.
That was like how many years ago was that? Like 15 fucking years ago?
Yeah. It has to be. I think you were, like, on episode 10 maybe.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Yeah, and super fucking random too. Like, I get the question all the time, like, "How the fuck did you do that?" You know.
(laughs)
And for me, like, my whole, like, art experience has just been, like, make the work, and whatever the fuck happens afterwards is just all bonus, you know.
Well, if the work is great, that works, you know. It's like-
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
... you kind of have to be discovered. Someone has to find you. But yet, ultimately, it's about talent.
Yeah. And, and, you know, hard work too.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, 'cause that talent really doesn't co-... Like, artists so often are like, people are like, "Oh, I, like, I wish I could draw. Like, you're so lucky, like, God-given talent." I'm like, "Bitch, I had to fucking... I work every day, and have been grinding at this for 25, 26 years."
There's, there's no God-given talent with art. There's some people have an openness or maybe an ability to see things differently than others, but when it comes to the actual technique-
Yeah.
... and developing that fine hand-eye coordination-
Yeah.
... and the, the ability to draw exact, or paint exactly what you're looking for-
Yeah.
... God, that's work. That's work, man.
Yeah. And it, it... Nothing came easy. Like-
No.
... I feel like there's some artists and, like, some creative people who, they have some, like, uh, inert talent that's in there somewhere, or it's like we have the right brain chemistry to, like, get started. But, like, I'm still improving. 20, 25, 26 years in, I'm still recognizing improvements.
Yeah, I thought that, that particular one that we just posted a picture of, that was, like, one of your best ones.
Yeah.
That w- That is-
Yeah.
... fucking amazing.
Well, I told you, like, I probably put more time and effort into that piece than anything I'd made previously.
Look at that thing. I mean, that is so sick. That is so sick. And it's like, that is this show. (laughs)
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