Joe Rogan Experience #2028 - Jermey Corbell & George Knapp

Joe Rogan Experience #2028 - Jermey Corbell & George Knapp

The Joe Rogan ExperienceJun 27, 20242h 54m

Narrator, Joe Rogan (host), George Knapp (guest), Jeremy Corbell (guest), Jeremy Corbell (guest), Jeremy Corbell (guest), Jeremy Corbell (guest), Jeremy Corbell (guest), George Knapp (guest)

David Grusch’s whistleblower claims and treatment by the intelligence communityHistorical and ongoing UFO/UAP programs in the U.S., Russia, and other nationsNational security, black budgets, and the political battle over Congressional oversightRecent Navy UAP encounters and multi-sensor “swarm” incidents (Omaha, Russell, East Coast)Alleged crash retrievals, reverse-engineering efforts, and exotic metamaterialsSpeculation on non-human intelligence: origins, motives, and possible manipulation of humanityNew U.S. legislation (NDAA/UAP language, Schumer amendment, eminent domain over non-human tech)

In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Narrator and Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan Experience #2028 - Jermey Corbell & George Knapp explores inside Washington’s UFO Fight: Secrecy, Whistleblowers, and Non‑Human Tech Joe Rogan speaks with filmmaker Jeremy Corbell and journalist George Knapp about the current state of UFO/UAP disclosure, focusing heavily on government whistleblower David Grusch and recent Congressional hearings.

Inside Washington’s UFO Fight: Secrecy, Whistleblowers, and Non‑Human Tech

Joe Rogan speaks with filmmaker Jeremy Corbell and journalist George Knapp about the current state of UFO/UAP disclosure, focusing heavily on government whistleblower David Grusch and recent Congressional hearings.

They outline decades of alleged crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering programs, where non-human craft and exotic materials are said to be studied in deeply compartmentalized, often illegal, black projects shielded from oversight.

The discussion explores political resistance, media smear campaigns, national security arguments for secrecy, and new legislative efforts (like Schumer’s UAP amendment) that could force hidden programs into the light.

They also speculate on deeper implications: possible ancient visitation, non-human intelligence manipulating human affairs, and how humanity’s rapid technological evolution and AI development might mirror whatever is behind the UFO phenomenon.

Key Takeaways

Whistleblower David Grusch is a central catalyst but tightly constrained.

Grusch, a former intelligence officer for the UAP Task Force, legally disclosed to the Intelligence Community Inspector General that he found evidence of hidden crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering programs siphoning off massive black budgets. ...

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Multiple governments have allegedly tried to exploit UFO technology for strategic advantage.

Knapp describes accessing Russian UFO program documents from the USSR era, including reports of shootdowns and pilot deaths, and efforts to reverse-engineer craft for stealth and weapons dominance. ...

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Congressional oversight is colliding with entrenched secrecy and corporate interests.

They argue that decades of off-the-books programs, misappropriated funds, and private aerospace custody of alleged non-human tech have created powerful incentives to resist oversight. ...

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Recent Navy “swarm” incidents highlight a real, unresolved technical problem.

Corbell and Knapp detail 2019 and 2021 events where U. ...

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Material science claims are central: alleged metamaterials and non-terrestrial manufacturing.

They reference exotic alloys and layered metamaterials—some said to be atomically ordered in ways we cannot yet reproduce and possibly manufactured in zero gravity—as evidence of non-human technological origin. ...

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National security is the official rationale; deeper reasons may be more unsettling.

Officials who speak to them cite “strategic surprise” and fear of adversaries gaining access to breakthroughs as the primary justification for secrecy. ...

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Public engagement and sustained political pressure are viewed as essential to progress.

Both guests emphasize that without visible public demand and persistent action from Senators and Representatives, efforts like the Schumer UAP amendment and any Church Committee–style investigation will stall. ...

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Notable Quotes

“They used the term ‘non-human intelligence’ in that legislation 26 times… It’s astonishing.”

George Knapp

“If what he’s saying is true, he’s speaking under whistleblower protection. It was hard to even get his lawyer behind him in that hearing.”

Jeremy Corbell (on David Grusch)

“I’ll believe disclosure when I see it. I just don’t think the day is gonna come where the President stands up and says they’re here, they’re from somewhere else.”

George Knapp

“We are, in essence, creating an alien life form among us… I think that might be what those things are when we see the grays.”

Joe Rogan

“UFOs are real. We have technology that we don’t know where it’s from. We have been reverse engineering or trying to do that. I am solid on those three things.”

Jeremy Corbell

Questions Answered in This Episode

If the Schumer UAP amendment and related NDAA language pass unchanged, what realistically happens next—who actually gets to walk into these alleged facilities and verify what’s there?

Joe Rogan speaks with filmmaker Jeremy Corbell and journalist George Knapp about the current state of UFO/UAP disclosure, focusing heavily on government whistleblower David Grusch and recent Congressional hearings.

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How can the public distinguish between authentic whistleblowing and sophisticated disinformation when almost all key evidence is classified or compartmentalized?

They outline decades of alleged crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering programs, where non-human craft and exotic materials are said to be studied in deeply compartmentalized, often illegal, black projects shielded from oversight.

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What is the ethical balance between protecting national security (and preventing adversaries from gaining exotic tech) and honoring the public’s right to know about non-human intelligence?

The discussion explores political resistance, media smear campaigns, national security arguments for secrecy, and new legislative efforts (like Schumer’s UAP amendment) that could force hidden programs into the light.

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If some insiders truly believe the public “can’t handle” the deeper truth, what specific historical or psychological evidence are they relying on to justify that gatekeeping?

They also speculate on deeper implications: possible ancient visitation, non-human intelligence manipulating human affairs, and how humanity’s rapid technological evolution and AI development might mirror whatever is behind the UFO phenomenon.

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Assuming at least some UFOs are non-human and have been here for centuries, what does that imply about human history, religion, and our rapid trajectory toward AI and post-human evolution?

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Narrator

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Joe Rogan

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Narrator

Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays)

Joe Rogan

Hello, George.

George Knapp

Hey, Joe.

Joe Rogan

Hello, Jeremy. What's up? Good to see you guys.

George Knapp

Hey, man.

Joe Rogan

The two musketeers at the front lines of UFO disclosure. (laughs) It is, uh, scary if that's true, Joe. (laughs)

George Knapp

I think you guys are. I mean, uh, you're, you're certainly prominent.

Joe Rogan

Can I get the mic turned up on this bad boy?

George Knapp

Yeah, there's a little thing, uh, right there.

Joe Rogan

Oh, shit.

George Knapp

You get to hear your own voice. There's a volume knob right there.

Joe Rogan

Excellent.

Narrator

We're up, we're up.

George Knapp

It's exciting times.

Joe Rogan

It is. It's very exciting times.

George Knapp

I've said it a few times that I'd never thought I would see it in my life, you know. I would just keep plugging away for... This is my 36th year doing this, chasing this crazy story. I never thought it would make this much progress. Still a long way to go, but...

Joe Rogan

Are you apprehensive at all that some of the stuff that they're releasing is bullshit? Of course. (laughs)

George Knapp

Of course.

Joe Rogan

W- w- w- who, who, who's releasing?

George Knapp

I mean, when you see these, uh, these... The Pentagon's talking about it, when, you know, uh, intelligent officials. You ever wonder whether or not it's disinformation?

Joe Rogan

Yeah, I'll... You wanna?

Narrator

Yeah, go ahead.

Joe Rogan

So yeah, I'll take that first. Um, yeah, I've heard you kinda talk about that a bunch.

George Knapp

Yes.

Joe Rogan

You know? And I think it's a very healthy suspicion to have. Uh, my perspective is a little different, in that people are always coming at me with fake information, like, every day, all the time. But the people in government that we have been able to kind of, um, (clicks tongue) interface with, I wish there was an adult in the room. I wish that this was orchestrated through the media. It would give me some sort of hope that someone has some sort of control on this, and that has not been my experience.

George Knapp

Okay, what is your exper- like, what are you, what's your impression of how it's all happening?

Joe Rogan

It's a big question. I, I don't know where to start on that. But I, just, here's what I know. I know that there are people in government that want some level of disclosure on whatever this is, without defining it. Just, there should be oversight. So, I know that to be true. There are good people that think that people are running amok and there must be oversight, not just financially, but if these types of technologies actually exist?

George Knapp

Right, who's in control of them and why?

Joe Rogan

Yeah.

George Knapp

And who has access to them and why? I mean, we have a history of disinformation and misinformation put out to the public and to Congress, uh, by the intelligence community, by the Pentagon. They lie all the time. It, it comes, it's part of the turf, it's part of the job. But for them to then go into closed door briefings with members of Congress, with the oversight committees who handle their budgets, for them to lie about that, that's another matter. And I, I don't think they would, um, because they could get busted for it. A lot of stuff is coming out now. And I, I know we get asked all the time, "Who's behind this push?" You know, it looks like it's one big movement, uh, as opposed to a bunch of different things that all happened in approximately the same time. It's kinda been organic. Different people have come forward and it encourages other people come, to come forward, as opposed to somebody doing a master mani- no, manipulation of the whole thing.

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