Joe Rogan Experience #2417 - Ben van Kerkwyk
Ben van Kerkwyk (guest), Narrator, Joe Rogan (host), Narrator, Guest (secondary, in-studio) (guest), Narrator, Guest (secondary, in-studio) (guest)
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Ben van Kerkwyk and Narrator, Joe Rogan Experience #2417 - Ben van Kerkwyk explores ancient Labyrinths, Sphinx Secrets, and Evidence of Lost Civilizations Joe Rogan and Ben van Kerkwyk explore controversial evidence suggesting highly advanced, possibly pre-Ice Age civilizations built many of the world’s most mysterious megalithic structures.
Ancient Labyrinths, Sphinx Secrets, and Evidence of Lost Civilizations
Joe Rogan and Ben van Kerkwyk explore controversial evidence suggesting highly advanced, possibly pre-Ice Age civilizations built many of the world’s most mysterious megalithic structures.
They focus on the “Great Lost Labyrinth” at Hawara in Egypt, underground anomalies beneath the Giza Plateau and Sphinx, and extreme erosion patterns that imply structures far older than mainstream Egyptology allows.
The conversation then broadens to Peru, Bolivia, India, Japan, and global sacred-geometry patterns, arguing for a worldwide, technologically capable ancient culture whose remnants have been misdated or ignored.
They also discuss institutional resistance, potential cover‑ups, and why acknowledging cyclical cataclysms and lost civilizations could fundamentally change how humanity sees its past and future.
Key Takeaways
The Hawara Labyrinth may conceal a massive unexplored structure and a metallic anomaly.
Multiple independent subsurface and space-based scans indicate a multi‑level labyrinth beneath Hawara, including a 40–50 meter free‑standing metallic, Tic Tac–shaped object in a central atrium, yet no major excavation has been greenlit.
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Evidence suggests extensive, hidden infrastructure under the Sphinx and Giza Plateau.
Historic Arab and Greek accounts, 1990s ground‑penetrating radar, and leaked 1990s footage of Zahi Hawass in a tunnel under the Sphinx all point to tunnels and chambers that have been investigated but not fully disclosed.
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Erosion patterns imply parts of Giza are far older than dynastic Egypt.
Vertical, rounded rainfall erosion on the Sphinx enclosure and heavily eroded limestone blocks on the Giza Plateau exceed what could occur in Egypt’s current arid climate, pointing to thousands of years of heavy rain in a greener, pre‑desert Sahara.
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The Great Pyramid encodes precise Earth measurements and cosmic numbers.
When scaled by 43,200, the pyramid’s height and perimeter match Earth’s polar radius and equatorial circumference, and its proportions reflect the Earth’s oblate shape and latitude/longitude ratios—implying advanced geodesy long before modern science.
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Peru and Bolivia clearly show multiple construction phases from different cultures.
Sites like Sacsayhuaman, Ollantaytambo, and Tiwanaku present three distinct layers: deeply eroded carved bedrock, ultra‑precise megalithic walls, and crude Inca masonry on top—indicating later cultures reusing far older, superior stonework.
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Tiwanaku’s alignments and geology hint at an Ice Age–era origin.
Astronomical alignments of the Kalasasaya with solstices, a tilted ancient shoreline showing it was once a port on a higher Lake Titicaca, and Pleistocene fauna remains all support dates in the 10,000–15,000 BC range, not 1100 AD.
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Institutional gatekeeping may be delaying paradigm‑shifting discoveries.
Stories of suppressed reports (Hawara scans), buried expedition data (Shore expedition at Giza), and academics losing positions after suggesting older dates illustrate how reputational and institutional inertia can block disruptive evidence.
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Notable Quotes
“If the Labyrinth really does have a 40‑meter Tic Tac spaceship in it, all bets are off.”
— Joe Rogan
“You’re only allowing part of the narrative to go through about how magnificent this culture is.”
— Joe Rogan
“It’s baffling enough that we have these logistical achievements; anything above a few hundred tons is a massive challenge even for us today.”
— Ben van Kerkwyk
“Once you see the different construction layers in Peru, you can’t unsee it.”
— Ben van Kerkwyk
“I think it’s probable that we’ve risen and been wiped out more than once.”
— Ben van Kerkwyk
Questions Answered in This Episode
If the Hawara Labyrinth and its metallic object were fully excavated and revealed, what kinds of data or artifacts would definitively prove a lost high‑tech civilization?
Joe Rogan and Ben van Kerkwyk explore controversial evidence suggesting highly advanced, possibly pre-Ice Age civilizations built many of the world’s most mysterious megalithic structures.
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
What specific kinds of new scanning or drilling projects at Giza and the Sphinx would be most likely to produce undeniable evidence of hidden chambers or a Hall of Records?
They focus on the “Great Lost Labyrinth” at Hawara in Egypt, underground anomalies beneath the Giza Plateau and Sphinx, and extreme erosion patterns that imply structures far older than mainstream Egyptology allows.
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
How much older would mainstream archaeology need to accept for sites like Giza or Tiwanaku before it fundamentally rewrote human prehistory?
The conversation then broadens to Peru, Bolivia, India, Japan, and global sacred-geometry patterns, arguing for a worldwide, technologically capable ancient culture whose remnants have been misdated or ignored.
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
Could sacred geometry and astronomical encoding in ancient monuments have been intended as a warning or message to future civilizations about cyclical cataclysms?
They also discuss institutional resistance, potential cover‑ups, and why acknowledging cyclical cataclysms and lost civilizations could fundamentally change how humanity sees its past and future.
Get the full analysis with uListen AI
What concrete steps could independent researchers, philanthropists, and governments take to overcome institutional resistance and responsibly investigate these controversial sites?
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Transcript Preview
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Good to see you again, man. Last- so last time you were on, we barely scratched the surface of all the things that we wanted to talk about, so immediately we were like, "We gotta do another one quick." Because you wanna talk to them about the Sphinx.
The Sphinx, yes. Yeah, we were on, we got into the- well, the Labyrinth was kind of the big deal.
Labyrinth is nuts. I still haven't been able to get over it. The 40 meter metallic shape-
Tic Tac shape?
... Tic Tac shape thing-
Yeah.
... that's in the ground. Like, what is that?
Well, I hope we'll find out. I mean-
Tr-
... I, I don't know. I, it's, it's the wheels do turn a little slowly, but I'm, the, the point of that was to try and drive some awareness. Maybe we'll get some sort of angel investor in there to go and look at it and solve the problem-
Yeah.
... do something, 'cause-
Someone needs to talk to Elon.
Yeah, maybe.
I'm, I'm not the guy.
(laughs)
(laughs) I talk to him-
Damn it.
... too much as it is.
(laughs)
He's too busy. But someone who can annoy him-
He's solving other problems. Yeah, he's- he's got some-
Yeah. Someone, or maybe Bezos would like to be the first guy to get in there. They, someone has to get in there. You have to figure out what that thing is. That's crazy.
Who's-
This might be one of the biggest mysteries in the entire human civilization record.
It could be. Yeah, who's the guy-
It could be.
... who's the director that went to the bottom of the- I for- uh, oh-
Oh, Cameron.
Cameron. I mean-
He's a man.
... he likes going places that nobody's gone before.
Yeah.
They do the hole and get there, maybe, maybe he can develop the thing.
Someone should do it, they just ... I don't think enough people know. For ... A lot of people know that we're listening to this podcast, but not (inhales) enough people that would do something, that can do something, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's like we, we reach a lot of knuckleheads. (laughs)
(laughs) We reach a lot ... We s- a wide variety of people. Yeah.
But the percentage of people that have the resources to t- you have to-
Make something happen.
Th- they have to work something out with the Egyptian government, right? So they have to do something with those dams.
Yes, well, and you don't have to ... No, I don't think it takes the dams. You would have to remediate the water on the site, at least like somehow box it out, right? You gotta drain ... You'd have to drain this massive area. Or at least, if you were targeted enough, you might be able to drain a, a smaller area to then excavate in that area to keep the water out.
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