Joe Rogan Experience #1905 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Narrator and Narrator, Joe Rogan Experience #1905 - Derek, More Plates More Dates explores joe Rogan and Derek Expose Fitness Fakery, PED Culture, Tech Future Joe Rogan and Derek from More Plates More Dates dissect the Liver King steroid scandal, broader PED use in fitness and Hollywood, and the ethics of lying about enhancement while selling products. They contrast obviously enhanced physiques with what’s realistically achievable naturally, discuss health risks, and show extreme side effects of steroid abuse. The conversation widens into USADA loopholes, Conor McGregor’s recovery, weight-cutting science, and the social/media pressures on young men. They close by reflecting on discipline, resilience, social media’s impact on mental health, and a potentially dystopian future of Neuralink and virtual reality.
Joe Rogan and Derek Expose Fitness Fakery, PED Culture, Tech Future
Joe Rogan and Derek from More Plates More Dates dissect the Liver King steroid scandal, broader PED use in fitness and Hollywood, and the ethics of lying about enhancement while selling products. They contrast obviously enhanced physiques with what’s realistically achievable naturally, discuss health risks, and show extreme side effects of steroid abuse. The conversation widens into USADA loopholes, Conor McGregor’s recovery, weight-cutting science, and the social/media pressures on young men. They close by reflecting on discipline, resilience, social media’s impact on mental health, and a potentially dystopian future of Neuralink and virtual reality.
Key Takeaways
Obvious PED physiques sold as ‘natural’ are deceptive and harmful.
Liver King’s admission confirmed what many suspected: he built and marketed a brand on a physique that required heavy drug use, all while insisting it came from ‘ancestral tenets’ and organ supplements. ...
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There *are* elite natural physiques, but they look very different from extreme ‘Instagram jacked’.
Examples like Paul Sklar, Paul Saladino, and MattDoesFitness show what’s possible with genetics, decades of training, and clean lifestyles—and they actively verify through bloodwork or drug testing. ...
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PEDs carry serious, often irreversible risks far beyond just bigger muscles.
Derek highlights cases of catastrophic steroid acne, permanent scarring, gynecomastia requiring surgery, cardiac enlargement, liver/kidney damage, and neurodegeneration. ...
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If you sell products based on your body, you have an ethical duty to be honest about enhancement.
The duo argue that lying about steroid or HRT use while monetizing training apps, supplements, or ‘secret’ methods is charlatan behavior. ...
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Modern testing and anti‑doping systems have loopholes and are resource‑limited.
USADA doesn’t test for everything, can be inconsistent in who it tests and how often, and may miss compounds like DNP or certain peptides. ...
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Powerful new weight‑loss drugs change the game—but come with tradeoffs.
GLP‑1 agonists like semaglutide (Ozempic/Wegovy), which Elon Musk openly uses, massively blunt appetite and drive major weight loss, but can cause GI issues and may not be ideal for performance athletes. ...
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Resilience comes from doing hard things voluntarily, not from removing all discomfort.
Rogan ties his daily cold plunges, brutal training, and sauna work to managing public‑life anxiety and building psychological toughness. ...
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Notable Quotes
“You ran a con game and you got busted.”
— Joe Rogan (on Liver King)
“It's insulting the intelligence of people when you say you're natural and you look like that.”
— Derek (More Plates More Dates)
“If you don’t wanna talk about it, that’s one thing. But if you do talk about it, there’s a responsibility that you have to people that are listening to you.”
— Joe Rogan (on celebrities and PED honesty)
“Sometimes you'd be shocked that if you walk into a public gym, who's actually on gear and who's not. Sometimes the guys who are natural look better than the guys on gear.”
— Derek (More Plates More Dates)
“I firmly believe that you need something way worse to counter [stress] that you voluntarily subject yourself to… brutal exercise and cold plunges make the other stuff seem easy.”
— Joe Rogan
Questions Answered in This Episode
Where should the ethical line be drawn between private PED use and public deception when you profit from your physique?
Joe Rogan and Derek from More Plates More Dates dissect the Liver King steroid scandal, broader PED use in fitness and Hollywood, and the ethics of lying about enhancement while selling products. ...
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How can young men realistically distinguish between natural and enhanced physiques in an era of filters and marketing?
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Should organizations like USADA expand banned lists and testing budgets to include powerful fat-loss drugs and peptides?
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Is the rise of drugs like semaglutide a net positive for public health, or does it risk further eroding discipline and dietary education?
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As Neuralink and hyper‑real VR evolve, how will society cope with people choosing simulated dopamine hits over real‑world challenge and growth?
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Hey, Derek, you know how I got so jacked?
How?
I followed the nine ancestral tenets.
(laughs) Oh, that, I heard that works really well.
(laughs) It's the best way.
Yeah.
Boy, when I saw that video that you posted, you actually sent me the video after I'd already seen it. I, I, I caught it, like, within three minutes of you posting it.
Oh my God.
Uh, I saw it, it just showed up on my YouTube feed, I'm like, "Oh, yes. Here we go." And, uh, wasn't surprised at all.
No.
I mean, it's all, it seems ... Completely makes sense. But that's exactly what I expected.
Yeah, it seemed like just a matter of time for him.
There's no way you can look like that.
No.
In your 40s. That jack- I mean, he's preposterously jacked. Do we have a fucking ... Uh, d- uh, now that we know that he's full of shit, uh, we're talking about the Liver King, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. A lot of people are like, "What are they saying?" This is all inside stuff.
Yeah.
There's a guy. If you don't know who the, the Liver King is, it's a guy, calls himself the Liver King, and he's this guy who, uh, walks around everywhere with no shirt on. I've seen him in Vegas with no shirt on. Big bushy beard, super jacked, and he was telling people that the way he gets that way is by sunning his balls.
(laughs)
He, uh, he, he literally lays down with his asshole staring at the sun-
Yeah.
... and, and eats raw liver, and just lifts like a maniac. And, uh, that's how he's so jacked. But it's preposterous.
Yeah, too many polar extremes to have just, like, a unique marketing spin that was just highly viral.
Yeah.
In my opinion. And, I don't know, I think most people could see through it, but at the same time, he would ... Like, there was a lot of big names that even reached out to me after the video came out, and they were like, "You know, I didn't think he was natural," but this guy literally right to my face would say, like, blatantly, "I am natural." And look, a lot of people will take a guy at its word, at his word, when it's, like, a private conversation. And if he's straight up telling you in person, "Yeah, it's actually legit, I'm natural," and he was just lying, uh, through his fucking teeth seemingly.
There are some people that are really jacked that are natural.
For sure.
Some people that are, like, super, super disciplined. They, um, you know, they're taking supplements, but all legal supplements that you get at, like, a vitamin store. And they're just, like, they've never gotten off the grind. And, uh, who's that guy? Paul Sklar?
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