Joe Rogan Experience #1828 - Michio Kaku

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My pleasure.

It's-

Anytime.

... very nice to meet you in person. We actually did a radio show together once, remotely, a long time ago.

Oh. Hmm.

I was on the Opie and Anthony Show, and you called in.

That's right, yeah.

And I was there live, yeah.

(laughs) Yeah. That was a blast. (laughs)

Yeah, it was very fun. To ta- when a person like yourself, you're in this documentary, A Tear in the Sky.

Mm-hmm.

And, uh, for personally yourself, who is a, a very well-respected scientist, to be discussing the subject of UFOs, to me it signifies that there's been a shift in the way our culture perceives these things.

That's right. Uh, it used to be the third rail of a scientific establishment...

Yeah.

... that (laughs) if you talk about UFOs, you were pretty much relegated to being a nutcase, and the giggle factor kicks in, right?

Yeah.

But things have changed then, you know? Uh, because of the fact that the military is now, uh, basically releasing hours of videotapes of things that defy the normal laws of physics. And the military has, has admitted that, quote, "They're not ours."

Hmm.

Before there was always that ambiguity that maybe it's a new stealth bomber or a new fantastic device being prepared by the military. Nope. The military now admits that they're not ours.

Hmm.

Then the question (laughs) is, whose are they then?

Yeah, the 2017 New York Times article, uh, in my mind made, uh, that was a big shift because when the New York Times is reporting about it and saying that this is major news and this is real and there's video evidence that they can't ignore when you talk to high-level people at the government and people like Commander David Fravor, who had that in- infamous, uh, spotting off of the coast of San Diego, when you hear about people like that, that are very reputable, it starts to change the conversation-

Mm-hmm.

... in a lot of peoples' eyes.

Right. See, it used to be that one person would see something in the sky and say, "Look, Martha, look, there's something up there." Now things have changed. Now we have multiple sightings by multiple modes. That is the gold standard, the gold standard for looking for these objects. Not just one person, but several people that are reputable. Not just radar, but visual sighting, infrared sensors, uh, telescopic evidence. Now we have multiple sightings by multiple modes, and so the burden of proof has shifted. It used to be the burden of proof was on the people who believed in UFOs. They saw something, prove it. Now the burden of proof has shifted to the Pentagon, to the military. Now they have to prove that these aren't extraterrestrial. And so I think there's been a sea change, a sea change in the last, uh, s- just several years. You know, 50 years ago, there was a congressional hearing and it was coming out of Project Blue Book and there was a lot of laughter and a lot of jokes about thing, little green men in outer space. 50 years ago, that's the way it was. Now things have changed. Now people are looking about- looking at are they a threat militarily? What kinds of sensors do we have? What kind of metrics do we have? We now have frame-by-frame an analysis of these objects. These objects travel between mach five and mach 20. That's 20 times the speed of sound. These objects can zigzag and we can measure the G-force inside the- this object. The G-forces are several hundred times the force of gravity. In other words, any living person's bones would be crushed by these objects, so they're probably drones of some sort. These objects can drop 70,000 feet in a few seconds. Think about that. It can drop a tremendous distance in just a few seconds, and they can go underwater. This is something that we didn't realize before, but yes, they can actually go underwater, and they also move without creating an exhaust or breaking the sound barrier. So, these are things that we can now document frame by frame looking at these videotapes.