Joe Rogan Experience #1120 - Ben Greenfield

Joe Rogan Experience #1120 - Ben Greenfield

The Joe Rogan ExperienceMay 22, 20181h 57m

Joe Rogan (host), Ben Greenfield (guest), Jamie Vernon (guest), Narrator

Unconventional supplements and hormetic stressors (black ants, mastic gum, cold/heat exposure)Plant foraging, plant identification apps, and wild food mishapsObstacle racing, Train to Hunt competitions, and functional fitness vs. traditional endurance trainingWhole‑body stem cell, exosome, PRP, and NAD interventions for performance and anti‑agingFasting strategies, cyclic ketogenic dieting, and protein cyclingDebate over carnivore, vegan, and high‑fat diets, plus individual genetic variationRecovery technologies and routines (sauna, cold, PEMF, compression boots, sleep tracking, coffee enemas)

In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Joe Rogan and Ben Greenfield, Joe Rogan Experience #1120 - Ben Greenfield explores biohacking, Meat, and Madness: Ben Greenfield’s Extreme Longevity Experiments Joe Rogan and Ben Greenfield dive into an extended, free‑wheeling conversation about experimental biohacking, nutrition strategies, and performance optimization. They cover everything from eating black ant powder and using plant ID apps, to whole‑body stem cell and exosome procedures, NAD IV pushes, and dry‑aging wild game. Greenfield outlines his daily fasting and cyclic ketogenic approach, plus niche tools like PEMF, compression boots, and coffee enemas for recovery and anti‑aging. They also debate highly restrictive diets (carnivore, vegan), emphasizing genetics, hormesis, and personal experimentation over dogma.

Biohacking, Meat, and Madness: Ben Greenfield’s Extreme Longevity Experiments

Joe Rogan and Ben Greenfield dive into an extended, free‑wheeling conversation about experimental biohacking, nutrition strategies, and performance optimization. They cover everything from eating black ant powder and using plant ID apps, to whole‑body stem cell and exosome procedures, NAD IV pushes, and dry‑aging wild game. Greenfield outlines his daily fasting and cyclic ketogenic approach, plus niche tools like PEMF, compression boots, and coffee enemas for recovery and anti‑aging. They also debate highly restrictive diets (carnivore, vegan), emphasizing genetics, hormesis, and personal experimentation over dogma.

Key Takeaways

Use hormetic stressors deliberately, not obsessively.

Mild stressors like cold exposure, sauna, intense exercise, and even certain plant toxins can provoke beneficial adaptive responses; the goal is short, controlled doses rather than chronic overexposure.

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Fast primarily for timing, not chronic calorie deprivation.

Greenfield emphasizes 12–16‑hour daily fasts plus an occasional 24‑hour fast while keeping total calories adequate, to boost autophagy and stem cell activity without tanking metabolism or hormones.

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Match diet to genetics, activity level, and context.

Rigid ideologies like all‑meat or all‑plant ignore genetic differences (e. ...

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Reserve extreme interventions for specific goals and accept unknowns.

Full‑body stem cell + exosome procedures and NAD IV pushes may improve recovery and biological age markers, but they are expensive, painful, largely experimental, and lacking long‑term safety data.

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Structure training and carbs around circadian biology.

Easy, fasted aerobic work plus coffee in the morning and hard training later in the day, followed by an evening carb refeed, can support fat adaptation, glycogen replenishment, and better sleep.

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Recovery and sleep tracking are as important as training volume.

Tools like Oura rings, NormaTec boots, infrared mats, and daytime naps help Greenfield modulate intensity based on readiness and protect sleep quality, which he views as central to performance and longevity.

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Be skeptical of single blood tests and over‑interpreted data.

Food IgG panels often flag foods you simply eat a lot, and single n=1 blood panels (like one doctor on a carnivore diet) don’t prove population‑wide effects; context and repeat measurements matter.

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Notable Quotes

That's my shit, dude. I try stuff and I write about it.

Ben Greenfield

Sponsors can suck my fat dick.

Joe Rogan

If it was easy, it wouldn’t be hunting. It’d just be killing.

Joe Rogan

Meat wasn’t the medicine. It was the elimination of everything else.

Ben Greenfield

The problem with the carnivore diet is the same problem I have with the vegan diet: it becomes an ideology.

Joe Rogan

Questions Answered in This Episode

How much of Greenfield’s reported anti‑aging benefit from stem cells and NAD could be placebo or confounded by his already extreme lifestyle?

Joe Rogan and Ben Greenfield dive into an extended, free‑wheeling conversation about experimental biohacking, nutrition strategies, and performance optimization. ...

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What ethical and safety frameworks should exist around offering expensive, experimental procedures like full‑body stem cell makeovers to the general public?

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Where is the line between beneficial hormesis and unnecessary self‑inflicted stress in practices like coffee enemas, cryotherapy, and long fasts?

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How can an average person, without access to labs or genetics, practically tailor diet (carbs, fat, protein) to their own biology instead of following fads?

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If future research disproved some of these interventions (e.g., exosomes, NAD IVs), which of Greenfield’s practices would still clearly hold up on risk‑reward grounds?

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Transcript Preview

Joe Rogan

Bom, bom, bom, four, three, two, one. (slams table) Ben Greenfield eats ants.

Ben Greenfield

Mm.

Joe Rogan

Just want everybody to know.

Ben Greenfield

Hey, I, if I was gonna go to Disney as much as you go to Disney, I'd, I'd eat a lot more black ants.

Joe Rogan

Why are you eating ants?

Ben Greenfield

Well, supposedly... I actually don't know that much about ants. I'm just, I'm just eating it because it supposedly gives you energy. I needed a, a pick-me-up this morning. We lifted weights this morning, and I needed a second boost of energy. But apparently, these ants live in ginseng roots, and they have something that grows in their heads that acts as, like, a nootropic. It's, like, some kind of a chemical nootropic. And it also, supposedly, is one of these Chinese energy tonics. It's like the whole, you know, the doctrine of signatures. You know the doctrine of signatures in nature? You've heard-

Joe Rogan

No, what's that?

Ben Greenfield

It's the idea that, that things in nature give you clues, right? So, so like, when you slice open a tomato, you've got the four chambers of the heart, and tomato's supposedly good for the heart, or pomegranate is good for your blood, and the little pomegranate seeds look like red blood cells. You slice open a carrot, it looks like an eye, or you, you crack open an egg, it looks like an eye. Those are s- those are good for your vision. Um, sweet potatoes, which everybody thinks is like a, like a sweet, sugary food, those are actually shaped like a pancreas, and they can actually help to normalize your, your beta cells. Like, your, your insulin-producing beta cells in your pancreas. So, you look at, you know, walnuts for your brain, and people talk about, uh, w- avocados, right?

Joe Rogan

Mm-hmm.

Ben Greenfield

Supposedly, they look a little bit like an ovary, and they're good for female reproductive function.

Joe Rogan

Hmm.

Ben Greenfield

So, you can, you can carry that over from the plant kingdom into the animal kingdom and say that if you eat ants, because they're such energetic, endurance-driven creatures, that it supposedly will make you stronger.

Joe Rogan

Boy, that's a stretch.

Ben Greenfield

Well, wait till this stuff hits me, and then we'll arm wrestle. We'll find out.

Joe Rogan

(laughs) Have you been doing it for a while? How long have you been taking this stuff?

Ben Greenfield

That was the third time I've, I've actually used it. You just-

Joe Rogan

And?

Ben Greenfield

... dissolve it in ... I mean, I, I used it for a workout a couple of times.

Joe Rogan

So this is your concoction?

Ben Greenfield

It was-

Joe Rogan

Right? You took ground-

Ben Greenfield

Well, I-

Joe Rogan

... up ants-

Ben Greenfield

I, I didn't grind up the ants myself. That would've been exhausting to catch-

Joe Rogan

Did you buy them ground up?

Ben Greenfield

... to catch that many black ... I bought ground up black ant powder, and-

Joe Rogan

Okay, Jim, Jimmy just pulled up some ginseng ants powder.

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