Joe Rogan Experience #1357 - Ari Shaffir
Joe Rogan (host), Ari Shaffir (guest), Guest (guest), Narrator
In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, featuring Joe Rogan and Ari Shaffir, Joe Rogan Experience #1357 - Ari Shaffir explores joe Rogan and Ari Shaffir Debate Comedy, Outrage, Drugs, and Phones Joe Rogan and Ari Shaffir riff through a long, loose conversation centered on Sober October, personal discipline, and how easily people online police and judge others’ choices.
Joe Rogan and Ari Shaffir Debate Comedy, Outrage, Drugs, and Phones
Joe Rogan and Ari Shaffir riff through a long, loose conversation centered on Sober October, personal discipline, and how easily people online police and judge others’ choices.
They dive deep into modern stand-up comedy: the freedom to bomb, the process of finding the line on offensive topics, and how social media outrage and ‘woke’ culture collide with creative expression.
The pair also discuss phone addiction, digital minimalism, psychedelics, extreme partying, travel, dangerous animals, and trans athletes, frequently looping back to the internet’s role in amplifying conflict.
Underlying the joking, they repeatedly contrast real-world nuance and human interaction with the flattening, hyperreactive nature of online discourse.
Key Takeaways
Don’t outsource your goals and rules to the internet.
They point out how people online constantly try to tighten or redefine others’ challenges (e. ...
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Treat your smartphone like a tool, not a reflex.
Rogan and Shaffir describe compulsive scrolling, double-screening, and boredom-driven use; they discuss solutions like flip phones, screen time limits, or kids’ lock-style deadlines that preserve calls/texts but block endless apps.
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Bombing and failing onstage are essential to good comedy.
They insist the only way to find the line on dark or sensitive material (school shootings, race, gender, religion) is to sometimes cross it, bomb, and refine; freezing comics for early drafts or leaked sets destroys that process.
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Online outrage is often disconnected from real-life audiences.
They note how viral backlashes against comics (Chappelle, Burr, Shane Gillis, Louis C. ...
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Excessive or repeated psychedelic use can destabilize you.
Stories of long DMT runs and four-day mushroom binges show how ego dissolution, paranoia, and lingering unreality can last weeks or months; they caution that dosing frequency and integration matter as much as the trip itself.
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Biological sex still matters in high-level sports performance.
Their discussion of trans athletes, powerlifting bans, and performance studies emphasizes that male physiology generally confers lasting strength and speed advantages, making unrestricted inclusion in women’s divisions unfair to female competitors.
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Stepping away from the internet dramatically lowers anxiety and reactivity.
Shaffir’s month completely off screens left him bored but calmer, more focused on writing and observing life; both suggest even partial disconnects (saunas, float tanks, offline months) reset mental clarity and creativity.
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Notable Quotes
““Dude, I’m not playing your game. I’m doing a thing for myself.””
— Joe Rogan (on people trying to control his personal challenges)
““Anything you can’t mock is bullshit.””
— Ari Shaffir
““One of the most satisfying sets you can ever have is you start bombing and then you pull yourself out.””
— Joe Rogan
““Shut your phone and none of that shit exists, for the most part.””
— Ari Shaffir (on online outrage)
““If I have a religion, it’s comedy.””
— Ari Shaffir
Questions Answered in This Episode
Where should the line be drawn between a comic’s right to experiment with offensive material and an audience’s right to push back?
Joe Rogan and Ari Shaffir riff through a long, loose conversation centered on Sober October, personal discipline, and how easily people online police and judge others’ choices.
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How much personal responsibility do individuals have to manage their phone and internet use, versus relying on technological limits and app restrictions?
They dive deep into modern stand-up comedy: the freedom to bomb, the process of finding the line on offensive topics, and how social media outrage and ‘woke’ culture collide with creative expression.
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In the era of viral outrage, should networks and platforms adopt a unified stance on not firing artists for off-platform jokes or old clips?
The pair also discuss phone addiction, digital minimalism, psychedelics, extreme partying, travel, dangerous animals, and trans athletes, frequently looping back to the internet’s role in amplifying conflict.
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What would a fair, science-based framework for including trans athletes in competitive sports actually look like?
Underlying the joking, they repeatedly contrast real-world nuance and human interaction with the flattening, hyperreactive nature of online discourse.
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If boredom and lack of ‘real’ problems drive so much online anger, what practical steps could people take to redirect that energy into something constructive?
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Transcript Preview
Mm, Ari Shaffir, we're here.
(laughs)
It's Sober October.
Bleh.
Hey, are we allowed to smoke cigars or no?
Yeah, we're allowed to smoke cigars.
Let's smoke a cigar. Let's fucking bend the rules a little.
I have three in my trunk.
I have two right here.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean...
These are good. I was, uh, smoking cigars with Burr on the show. People are gonna be mad at us.
Why?
"This is tobacco. You're using tobacco products. You're totally cheating."
Well, they can suck my cheese.
Hmm. Um, they can or it can?
They can suck my cheese-
Oh, okay. Sucking cheese.
... with their fucking stupid rules. It's already hard enough.
Okay. Cheese.
Do you remember one time-
(laughs)
... you weren't, you weren't masturbating for a month?
Yeah, true.
You remember that?
Yeah.
And all those people were like, "Yeah, but you're having sex. Don't do it with sex." And you're like, "Dude, I'm not playing your game. I'm doing a thing for myself."
Yeah. Doing my game. Yeah.
(laughs) Everybody wants rules. I start working out. "Oh, what are you doing?" "Oh, just bench." "No, dude, you gotta do legs, or you're not doing anything." (laughs) You're like, "Can you give me two times?"
Yeah, well, that's-
"Are you doing iso?"
Isn't that the problem though just with, um, though with, uh, just interacting with people online? There's always gonna be someone that's upset at you for something.
Yeah, mad at you.
Yeah.
For trying.
For anything.
He'd rather I don't try.
Anything. No matter what you're doing, there's someone pissed.
Yeah.
Psh.
(laughs)
What are you gonna do?
It's such a crazy place, the internet.
Oh, it's so crazy. And that's where we make our home. That's what's really crazy.
It really is nuts. It's just as-
Are you on that light phone now? What are you, when are you on that?
No, it hasn't come yet. It's coming at the end of October.
Oh.
I, I'm trying a regular phone this month.
A regular phone?
Yeah. I, so I got a new number.
Spark that.
Oh, yeah. I got a new-
Like a cell phone?
Yeah.
Like a real cell phone, like a smartphone?
No, I got a new number and it's a regular flip phone.
Okay.
But the old number, I'm keeping it on on a smartphone.
Ooh.
And I'm seeing if I can handle it for a month.
You can handle it.
I don't know. Signs are not great already.
(laughs)
It's the fucking being alone and just kind of flipping through.
Well-
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