If You’re Feeling Uncertain & Anxious, You Need to Hear This | Dr. Julie on The Mel Robbins Podcast

If You’re Feeling Uncertain & Anxious, You Need to Hear This | Dr. Julie on The Mel Robbins Podcast

The Mel Robbins PodcastMar 13, 20251h 21m

Dr. Julie Smith (guest), Mel Robbins (host)

Normalizing mental health struggles and emotional pain as universal human experiencesBuilding an emotional toolkit: regulating feelings, working with thoughts, and self-compassionReframing fear and uncertainty: prey vs. predator mindset and living as if you have a futureComparison, resentment, and using values-based, constructive comparisons instead of destructive onesSocial anxiety and awkwardness: exposure ladders and using the “spotlight of attention”Self-criticism, regret, and changing your inner voice from bully to supportive coachAvoidance, anxiety, and the “shrinking life rainbow” vs. expanding life through small, repeated actions

In this episode of The Mel Robbins Podcast, featuring Dr. Julie Smith and Mel Robbins, If You’re Feeling Uncertain & Anxious, You Need to Hear This | Dr. Julie on The Mel Robbins Podcast explores turn Anxiety Into Agency: Dr. Julie’s Toolkit For Hard Times Mel Robbins interviews clinical psychologist and author Dr. Julie Smith about practical emotional tools for navigating anxiety, uncertainty, comparison, and relationship struggles. Dr. Julie explains that painful emotions are a normal part of being human, not proof that something is wrong with you, and emphasizes that everyone deserves an emotional toolkit. She shares concrete frameworks like shifting from prey to predator, widening and shrinking your “life rainbow,” values-based decision making, and managing attention like a spotlight. Throughout, she illustrates how these tools helped her personally through a cancer diagnosis and how they can help listeners move from avoidance and self-criticism to courage, connection, and purposeful action.

Turn Anxiety Into Agency: Dr. Julie’s Toolkit For Hard Times

Mel Robbins interviews clinical psychologist and author Dr. Julie Smith about practical emotional tools for navigating anxiety, uncertainty, comparison, and relationship struggles. Dr. Julie explains that painful emotions are a normal part of being human, not proof that something is wrong with you, and emphasizes that everyone deserves an emotional toolkit. She shares concrete frameworks like shifting from prey to predator, widening and shrinking your “life rainbow,” values-based decision making, and managing attention like a spotlight. Throughout, she illustrates how these tools helped her personally through a cancer diagnosis and how they can help listeners move from avoidance and self-criticism to courage, connection, and purposeful action.

Key Takeaways

You are not alone, and nothing is wrong with you for struggling.

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Treat emotions as information, not enemies to erase.

Painful feelings like anxiety, sadness, or anger are signals about needs or situations, not defects; instead of numbing or fighting them, ask, “Is this warranted? ...

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Shift from prey to predator: use fear to move, not freeze.

In crises (like her cancer diagnosis), Dr. ...

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Manage your attention like a spotlight to reduce anxiety.

You can’t control which thoughts appear, but you can control what you give the “stage lighting” to; in social situations, deliberately shift your spotlight from inward self-monitoring (“How do I look? ...

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Build a values-based life instead of a comfort-based life.

Avoiding what feels hard or anxiety-provoking shrinks your life; using a simple values exercise (rate what matters most in domains like health, relationships, work, and how aligned your actions are) helps you decide when to do uncomfortable things because they serve deeply held values, not momentary comfort.

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Change your inner voice from bully to coach to tolerate failure and grow.

You are trapped 24/7 with your own self-talk; if it sounds like a bully, you won’t take risks. ...

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Reverse avoidance to expand your “life rainbow” one layer at a time.

Avoiding feared situations (crowds, flying, dating, social events) brings short-term relief but slowly strips away layers of your life; pick one small, manageable exposure (like leaving the house daily or speaking briefly to a stranger), repeat it until it feels more normal, then add the next layer so your comfort zone gradually grows again.

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Notable Quotes

There’s nothing wrong with you just for having a hard time in life, ’cause life is hard.

Dr. Julie Smith

I didn’t want to feel like the prey. I thought, this cancer isn’t coming after me—I’m coming after it.

Dr. Julie Smith

If the inside of your head is not a safe place to be, how are you ever gonna take risks?

Dr. Julie Smith

Avoidance lies to us. It tells us we’re making everything better, but it makes fear worse over time and your life smaller.

Dr. Julie Smith

You do not have to be at the mercy of your own emotional experience.

Dr. Julie Smith

Questions Answered in This Episode

Where in my life have I been acting like the prey instead of the predator, and what is one small action that would put me on the front foot?

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If I treated my current difficult emotion as information instead of a problem, what might it be trying to tell me I need?

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Which areas of my life (relationships, health, work, etc.) matter most to me but currently feel least aligned with my values, and what is one concrete step I could take this week?

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How has avoidance—of places, people, or risks—quietly shrunk my “life rainbow,” and what is the smallest, repeatable exposure I’m willing to try to expand it again?

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If my inner voice were a world-class coach instead of a bully, how would it talk to me about my biggest regret or recent failure?

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Dr. Julie Smith

You're not alone. (instrumental music plays) There's nothing wrong with you just for having a hard time in life, 'cause life is hard. This white rice represents the population of the world, okay? So one in four people will experience a mental health problem at some point this year, right? And the wild rice represents that one in four. But when you mix them up like that, you realize even if you just take one little pinch of people, so let's say that's the people in your life, even if you're lucky enough not to be struggling at this moment, the chances are you're gonna be brushing shoulders with someone who is.

Mel Robbins

Mm.

Dr. Julie Smith

So you are never alone when you're struggling. Someone else will be dealing with something. There is such power in being able to recognize that what you're experiencing is a normal human experience.

Mel Robbins

Mm.

Dr. Julie Smith

Even when you feel like you're the only one experiencing it at that moment, you don't have to judge yourself as not being enough or not getting this thing called life correct or right. When you're really struggling, the best thing you could possibly do is... (clock ticks)

Mel Robbins

This is wild. We are so close to hitting four million subscribers on The Mel Robbins Podcast. That number isn't just a milestone, it's a sign of how many of you show up every week ready to learn, grow, and take action. So if you've been listening and watching for a while and you haven't hit that subscribe button yet, now's the time. It's free, it helps us reach even more people, and I promise to keep making this show better for you every single week. Hey, it's your friend Mel, welcome to The Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so thrilled to be here with you today, and it's always an honor, always, to spend time with you, to be together. If you're a new listener, I also wanna take a moment and personally welcome you to The Mel Robbins Podcast family. And because you made the time and you decided to hit play on this particular episode, here's what I know about you. You're the kind of person who values your time and you're also someone who is committed to learning how to become the best version of yourself and getting better at navigating life's ups and downs, and we could all get better at that, myself included. And if you chose to listen to this because someone shared this with you, I think it's an important thing that I want to acknowledge and point out to you. It's really cool that you have people in your life that care enough about you to send this to you, and they sent this to you because they want you to have the experience of learning from the amazing Dr. Julie Smith, and they want you to have the toolkit that she's gonna share with you, and I personally could not be more excited to have Dr. Julie in person today. She is a world-renowned clinical psychologist, a best-selling author of the mega blockbuster bestseller, Why Has Nobody Told Me This Before?, which has spent 109 weeks on the UK Sunday Times bestseller list. She has impacted millions of lives with the content she shares online, and now she's taken all of that wisdom and poured it into her new bestselling book, Open When. It's a book that you open when things are going wrong. It's a toolkit for life that will help you handle the ups, the downs, and everything in between, because when life feels chaotic, you deserve clarity. When emotions feel overwhelming, you deserve tools that work. And when you feel stuck, you deserve a way forward, and today you're gonna get it. So without further ado, please help me welcome the incredible Dr. Julie Smith to The Mel Robbins Podcast. Julie Smith is in the house, welcome to The Mel Robbins Podcast.

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