Dating, Cheetos, Liquor, Biden, Bernie & Fitness | Michael Malice | Modern Wisdom Podcast 140
Michael Malice (guest), Chris Williamson (host)
In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Michael Malice and Chris Williamson, Dating, Cheetos, Liquor, Biden, Bernie & Fitness | Michael Malice | Modern Wisdom Podcast 140 explores politics, dating, data, and degeneracy: Michael Malice unfiltered for hours Chris Williamson and Michael Malice bounce through a highly varied, free‑form conversation covering U.S. and U.K. politics, online culture, dating dynamics, data surveillance, and bizarre trivia. Malice riffs on the 2020 U.S. election, the Democratic Party’s internal war, Trump, Biden, Bernie, and his wish for maximum political chaos. They contrast fame, looks, and dating difficulties, dig into social credit systems, porn and consumer behavior data, and swap stories about North Korea, China, alcohol, junk food, and fashion. The episode is driven less by a single thesis and more by Malice’s dark humor, contrarian takes, and Williamson’s stream of internet‑era curiosities.
Politics, dating, data, and degeneracy: Michael Malice unfiltered for hours
Chris Williamson and Michael Malice bounce through a highly varied, free‑form conversation covering U.S. and U.K. politics, online culture, dating dynamics, data surveillance, and bizarre trivia. Malice riffs on the 2020 U.S. election, the Democratic Party’s internal war, Trump, Biden, Bernie, and his wish for maximum political chaos. They contrast fame, looks, and dating difficulties, dig into social credit systems, porn and consumer behavior data, and swap stories about North Korea, China, alcohol, junk food, and fashion. The episode is driven less by a single thesis and more by Malice’s dark humor, contrarian takes, and Williamson’s stream of internet‑era curiosities.
Key Takeaways
Political establishments will fight hard to protect their interests from true outsiders.
Malice argues the Democratic Party and its media allies will do almost anything to prevent Bernie Sanders from becoming the nominee because his anti‑corporate agenda threatens entrenched interests, mirroring how institutions responded to Trump.
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Authoritarian control increasingly relies on quantifying and scoring citizens’ behavior.
Drawing parallels between North Korea’s Songbun caste system and China’s social credit experiments, Malice notes how detailed profiles—built from data about loyalty, travel, and habits—determine people’s life chances, mobility, and freedoms.
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Data exhaust from everyday tech use quietly shapes financial and insurance outcomes.
The discussion on insurers using GPS, sleep locations, and form‑filling speed shows how seemingly innocuous data points are fed into actuarial models that infer relationship status, risk tolerance, or accident likelihood, then adjust prices and access.
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High attractiveness and minor celebrity can paradoxically make dating harder, not easier.
Williamson explains that reality‑TV fame and a ‘hunk’ image attract a narrow type of partner, repel the thoughtful people he’s actually interested in, and lead others to assume he’s shallow or unavailable, creating isolation despite abundance of attention.
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Dieting for aesthetics creates unique psychological strain due to subjective progress.
Because aesthetic changes are hard to measure and calorie restriction causes “diet brain,” Malice struggles with lost strength during a cut; Williamson recommends process focus, macro tracking, and strategic high‑calorie refeed days to preserve motivation.
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Online subcultures normalize extreme financial and social behaviors for ‘internet points.’
WallStreetBets’ stories of people remortgaging homes for leveraged options trades illustrate how digital communities can valorize recklessness, turning life‑altering risk into entertainment and clout currency.
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Humor and memes are powerful tools to signal identity and subversion.
From helicopter emojis invoking Pinochet to obscene emoji strings and political trolling, Malice shows how small visual symbols carry coded meaning within in‑groups, letting people mock opponents or telegraph ideology without explicit statements.
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Notable Quotes
“When people in government have ideas, that's when things get dangerous.”
— Michael Malice
“Most human beings aren't really capable of critical thought or original action.”
— Michael Malice
“It looks a lot prettier on the outside than it is on the inside.”
— Chris Williamson (on dating as a reality‑TV ‘hunk’)
“I want a year of angry old man Biden on the campaign trail.”
— Michael Malice
“Diet will turn anyone crazy.”
— Chris Williamson
Questions Answered in This Episode
How far should governments and corporations be allowed to use behavioral and location data to price risk or control citizens’ opportunities?
Chris Williamson and Michael Malice bounce through a highly varied, free‑form conversation covering U. ...
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Are figures like Trump and Bernie Sanders a temporary backlash, or the beginning of a long‑term realignment against establishment politics?
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How does social media–driven micro‑celebrity change people’s expectations of relationships and trust in potential partners?
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What ethical responsibilities do online communities like WallStreetBets have when they glorify extreme financial risk‑taking for entertainment?
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Can humor and trolling meaningfully challenge power, or do they ultimately trivialize serious issues like authoritarianism and corruption?
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Transcript Preview
So angry old man Biden is this kind of bubbling understory that I really need to see a lot more of and my dream is that he gets the nomination and he gets, let's say, physically incapacitated some ... God forbid, and then the party steals it and gives it to Hillary.
(laughs)
Which would, is not an impossibility at all and I would desperately love that to happen. I wanna see her lose three times.
(laughs)
It's like, uh, any mummy, any mummy movie you're gonna have a trilogy, right?
Yeah, okay, yeah.
We need the mummy to come back for the third time and get her final defeat.
Where does Dwayne Johnson fit into this 'cause he must have to-
The Rock? (laughs)
Yeah. (laughs)
He said he's gonna run.
Is that what, is that what's happening? I'd vote for The Rock.
I think 2024 maybe, yeah.
Yeah, I'd vote for The Rock. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Michael Malice in the building. Woo.
That's true.
There he is.
Hi.
How are you?
I'm great.
Fantastic. What's been happening in ... Actually, no, first off, Dave Rubin got you in a full ensemble and I go, I get you in a T-shirt. What's happening?
Uh, yeah, well, you also, this is Skype. You wanna, if you want, when you get a studio and not a bedroom, then I'll dress appropriately.
Okay.
I'm in my pajamas, see?
Those are nice.
Yeah.
That's a nice check on the bottom, the bottom half.
Thank you.
You look cool.
And I've got some nice farm socks for no reason.
(laughs)
So you're from Newcastle?
Correct.
Do ... I'm gonna impress you and make you uncomfortable.
Hit me.
The one thing I know about Newcastle which no other American knows is Mary Bell.
I don't know that. What's that?
Mary Bell was 10 or 11 and she was the youngest person convicted of murder in Britain. She killed two toddlers. And then she went to their house and she's like, "I wanna see Billy," and they're like, "He's dead, love," and she's like, "I wanna see him in his coffin," and they sentenced her to jail at age 11. She's from Newcastle, she's a Geordie. You didn't know this?
That is the most harrowing story that I've ever heard.
Yeah, and they left, like, notes, like, "Oh, there's murderers around," like a little kid handwriting. Yeah, you didn't know about this?
No, not at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The book's called Cries Unheard.
Fuck me. What a way to start ... Michael, come on.
Yeah.
What's the ... I've got, I've got stories about flaming Cheetos and stuff and you're talking about, like, child murder.
Yeah.
Child and child crime.
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