11 Stoic Rules For "The Good Life" - Ryan Holiday

11 Stoic Rules For "The Good Life" - Ryan Holiday

Modern WisdomJun 10, 20242h 5m

Chris Williamson (host), Ryan Holiday (guest)

Why talking about goals undermines actually doing the workCompeting only on what’s in your control and defining your own raceRisk, big life decisions, and the myth of total certainty (“fuck yes or no”)Ego, evidence-based confidence, and the limits of validation-driven successStruggle, failure, and using difficult seasons as formative experiencesSanity, long-termism, and not letting early success or algorithms ruin youJustice, character, and Stoicism’s demand to do the right thing in practice

In this episode of Modern Wisdom, featuring Chris Williamson and Ryan Holiday, 11 Stoic Rules For "The Good Life" - Ryan Holiday explores ryan Holiday’s Stoic Blueprint For Ambition, Ego, And Integrity Ryan Holiday and Chris Williamson use Stoic philosophy to unpack how to pursue big goals without being consumed by ego, audience capture, or toxic fuel like resentment. They explore why talking about plans can sabotage execution, how to define success on your own terms, and why the most life-changing decisions rarely feel like obvious “hell yeses.”

Ryan Holiday’s Stoic Blueprint For Ambition, Ego, And Integrity

Ryan Holiday and Chris Williamson use Stoic philosophy to unpack how to pursue big goals without being consumed by ego, audience capture, or toxic fuel like resentment. They explore why talking about plans can sabotage execution, how to define success on your own terms, and why the most life-changing decisions rarely feel like obvious “hell yeses.”

Holiday argues that sanity, character, and justice—showing up as a decent person in private and public—matter more than raw ambition or external metrics like money, fame, or follower counts. They discuss confidence as evidence-based, not mantra-based, and how struggle, bombing on stage, and early failure can become durable proof that you can handle hard things.

The conversation ends by reframing Stoicism as a philosophy of responsibility and service, not emotional numbness or selfish optimization: if success makes you a worse human, it isn’t really success, and the “right thing” usually costs you something and must be done now, not later.

Key Takeaways

Talk less about plans and put that energy into execution.

Describing projects in detail gives you premature dopamine and a false sense of completion, making you less likely to do the hard, boring work. ...

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Define success by what’s in your control, not by external rankings.

If winning depends on money, awards, or other people’s approval, you may never feel successful. ...

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Big, life-changing decisions rarely feel like a clean “hell yes.”

Dropping out of college or leaving a safe job was 51/49 or 60/40 for Holiday, not obvious certainties. ...

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Build confidence from evidence, not affirmations.

Real self-trust comes from a track record of doing hard things, recovering from setbacks, and seeing your process work over time. ...

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If success makes you worse, it’s not really success.

More money, status, or reach that costs you your relationships, sanity, or basic decency is a bad trade. ...

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Justice begins in small, personal choices, not abstract causes.

Doing the right thing shows up in honoring babysitters and kids, paying people fairly, and running your business transparently, not just in high-minded positions on politics. ...

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Stoicism is about responsibility and service, not numbness or cynicism.

Holiday rejects a ‘bro stoicism’ that glorifies emotional suppression and selfish gain. ...

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Notable Quotes

Talking about the thing and doing the thing vie for the same resources. Allocate your energy appropriately.

Ryan Holiday

If you only run races where winning is up to you, you’ll always win.

Ryan Holiday paraphrasing Epictetus

Self-belief is overrated. Generate evidence.

Ryan Holiday

If it makes you a worse person, it’s not success.

Ryan Holiday

It’s easier to be a great man than a good man.

Ryan Holiday

Questions Answered in This Episode

Where in my life am I talking about big plans instead of quietly accumulating evidence that I can execute them?

Ryan Holiday and Chris Williamson use Stoic philosophy to unpack how to pursue big goals without being consumed by ego, audience capture, or toxic fuel like resentment. ...

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How would my goals change if I defined success only by things fully within my control?

Holiday argues that sanity, character, and justice—showing up as a decent person in private and public—matter more than raw ambition or external metrics like money, fame, or follower counts. ...

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Which ‘hidden metrics’—health, relationships, time, integrity—am I currently trading away for more visible wins?

The conversation ends by reframing Stoicism as a philosophy of responsibility and service, not emotional numbness or selfish optimization: if success makes you a worse human, it isn’t really success, and the “right thing” usually costs you something and must be done now, not later.

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Can I name a decision I keep postponing because I’m waiting for a nonexistent 100% certainty instead of accepting 60/40 and moving?

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If every private choice I make were made public, what patterns in my behavior would I be proud of—and which would I want to change immediately?

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Chris Williamson

I've collected some of my favorite quotes from you over the last year, and I wanna go through some of those-

Ryan Holiday

Okay.

Chris Williamson

... and, and get your reflection. "Talking about the thing and doing the thing vie for the same resources. Allocate your energy appropriately."

Ryan Holiday

Yeah, I don't talk about projects as I'm working on them. That's just a rule I've found. Um, there was this thing many, many years ago, it was this Twitter account that just collected tweets of people talking about the novel they were working on, which they were obviously not working on, otherwise they wouldn't have been tweeting about it. And... Look, I'm not saying you do the thing for validation. T-That's a bad reason to do things. But there is some sort of light at the end of the tunnel that keeps you going, right, when you're doing a thing. Like, "Hopefully people will like this, hopefully it will be received well. Hopefully they'll pat me on the back," whatever. You don't wanna take that on credit. You wanna earn it. And so, when I am working on a project, I wait until I am nearly done, or done, before I start to talk about it, because what it does is it starts to make this thing feel real that is not yet real, and that you are the only person that can make real. So, it's this sort of temptation, this ba- uh, Steven Pressfield called it the resistance. The resistance wants you to go, "Hey, I'm training for a marathon," and people to go, "That's so great, I'm so impressed," um, but they're impressed with the thing you haven't done yet, you know? Tell them after you run the marathon, you know? That, that's when, that's when you want, that's when you want to cash in on the work that you've been putting in. And I think about, I think about... The people that I really admire are people who work for years and y- years on things, and I just think about what it must be like to be in the wilderness that long, to just show up every single day and work on a thing and not get any recognition or appreciation for that thing, to not know if you're heading in the right direction or not. Um... The kind of character and determination that that takes. And so my, my projects are thankfully much shorter than that, usually (laughs) . But, you know, you just, you just do the thing, and then i- if people like it at the end, that's great.

Chris Williamson

I mentioned that quote to Andrew Huberman, and-

Ryan Holiday

Oh.

Chris Williamson

... he told me that there is a, uh, neuroscientific basis for that too.

Ryan Holiday

Huh.

Chris Williamson

That you actually get little sort of titrated drips of dopamine when you do talk about doing the thing-

Ryan Holiday

Yeah.

Chris Williamson

... so your philosophical, artsy, wanky insight is also reflected quite nicely in the neuroscience.

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