The Right-Wing “Redemption Tour” Is Here… But Is It Real? | Pivot

See? We've had a good discussion about this. We're still getting dragged online, and I get dragged with you.

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Thanks, Scott. [upbeat music] Let's get to the news. Uh, first, Tucker Carlson, one of Trump's biggest supporters over the last few years, now says he regrets helping, uh, get Trump elected. He offered an apology on the latest episode of "The Tucker Carlson Show" while speaking with his, uh, brother Buckley, a former Trump speechwriter. Uh, uh, Tucker and Buckley. Oh, my goodness. [chuckles] Let's, uh, let's, uh, listen.

You wrote speeches for him. I campaigned for him. We, we're implicated in this, for sure.

Yes.

It's not enough to say, "Well, I changed my mind," or like, "Oh, this is bad. I'm out." It's like in s- very small ways, but in real ways, you and me and millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now.

Yes.

So I do think it's, like, a moment to wrestle with our own consciences. Uh, you know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time. I will be. And, and I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people, and it was not intentional. That's all I'll say.

So Tucker might be tormented. Uh, is he trying to pull a Joe Rogan? Is he going back to Trump to, to... when he needs something? I mean, he's done this before in those emails during that tr- uh, the, the, um, the, the, uh, the trial that Fox had and lost. Uh, he would call them demonic. He was-- He's been here, and I don't think Trump has been anything but explicit about what he is for a very long time. So I'd love to talk about this and the idea of redemption, like, that Rogan was trying to do. And of course, the minute he gave him his psychedelics, he shows right up. And H- and Greene is one. You know, you got a lot of pushback for, uh, for your Ben Shapiro comments this week. This week, I've gotten a l-

Not my comments, my interview.

Your interview, excuse me, but also what you said a-about him and stuff. So these people seem to be moving this way in a way that's... Is it real? Is it not real? How much should we hold people responsible for the things they've said previously? Greene has been terrible. Ben has been many things or not s- This stuff, especially around trans and people of color, h-has been repugnant to me, at least. Um, gay people-

But you would put Ben and Tucker in the same category?

I'd put them, I'd put them all in a different way because I think a lot of what Ben has said previously is really, if I read it... I mean, I can read it to you if you'd like. I want to talk about the bigger idea of giving people space. They are obviously, Tucker is, and Rogan is, and Theo Von is, and Marjorie Taylor Greene are trying, e-even Megyn Kelly, on this sort of redemption tour in a weird way, and I don't... I, I not necessarily believe it. But I want to talk about this issue of when you let people say, "I made a mistake a couple years ago when I said this heinous thing. Forgive me." That, which is what Tucker's asking for here.