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Figma's 250% Pop - The Greatest IPO Mispricing Ever? Meta & Microsoft Blowout Quarters: Broken Down

Brian Halligan is the Co-Founder and Executive Chairperson of HubSpot. Brian led the business as CEO for 15 years from Day 1 to a $30BN public company with 7,000 employees. Among Brian numerous achievements, Brian is famed for coining the term "inbound marketing", he is a globally recognised author, he is also an incredible teacher having developed MIT’s popular Scaling Entrepreneurial Ventures class. In addition to all of this, he is also the Co-Founder of Propeller Ventures, a $100 million climate tech venture fund, specializing in ocean innovation investments. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. ----------------------------------------------- In Today’s Episode We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:04 The Worst IPO Mis-Pricing Ever: What Really Happened at Figma 24:03 Why CEO Compensation is Broken 35:45 Is Canva Next? Why Founders Should "Run, Forrest, Run" to the NASDAQ 38:28 The Case for Going Public: VCs Are a Bigger Pain Than Public Markets 47:27 Can AI Even Work for SMBs? Why No One’s Cracked the Code (Yet) 54:40 Meta’s Monster Quarter: Growth, Cash Burn, and the Real AI Strategy 01:01:54 CEO of the Year? Why Jensen Huang Leaves Zuck & Satya in the Dust 01:06:59 Cognition's $15B Deal & Mass Layoffs: The Most Savage M&A Move of 2025 01:12:32 Ramp’s $22B Raise: Genius Move or Suicide Round? 01:17:41 CRV Shrinks, Benchmark’s Bet, and the Future of Venture Strategy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subscribe on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3j2KMcZ... Subscribe on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Follow Harry Stebbings on X: / harrystebbings Follow Brian Halligan on X: / bhalligan Follow Jason Lemkin on X: / jasonlk Follow Rory O’Driscoll on X: / rodriscoll Follow 20VC on Instagram: / 20vchq Follow 20VC on TikTok: / 20vc_tok Visit our Website: https://www.20vc.com Subscribe to our Newsletter: https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/con... ----------------------------------------------- #20vc #harrystebbings #roryodriscoll #jasonlemkin #brianhalligan #figma #microsoft #meta #ai #cognition #ramp

Rory O’DriscollguestBrian HalliganguestHarry StebbingshostJason Lemkinguest
Aug 7, 20251h 28mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. Figma’s 250% IPO pop: was it really “money left on the table”?

    The group frames Figma’s first-day surge as a mix of constrained supply, intense demand, and the mechanics of bookbuilding—not simple incompetence. They challenge the popular narrative that Figma could have priced anywhere near the first-day highs, arguing that demand at those levels likely didn’t exist pre-open.

  2. Inside the IPO pricing room: exhausted founders, banker incentives, and investor allocations

    Brian Halligan walks through the night-before pricing meeting: founders negotiate both the IPO price and which investors get allocations. The conversation highlights subtle conflicts of interest—banks balancing issuer outcomes with relationships across hedge funds and large long-only funds.

  3. Why big long-only investors matter (and how “long-only” isn’t truly long-only)

    The panel debates the strategic value of landing Fidelity/T. Rowe/Wellington/Capital early. They argue that these investors shape post-IPO stability, though they will still trim or sell based on internal targets and portfolio rules.

  4. Direct listings vs. IPOs: would a different mechanism prevent mega-pops?

    They explore whether a direct listing (now able to raise primary capital under updated SEC rules) would have reduced Figma’s mispricing. The conclusion: direct listing might capture a few dollars, but it likely wouldn’t have set the stock at the euphoric post-open levels—mega-pops may be an intermittent feature of regime shifts.

  5. IPO day “inside baseball”: platform politics, delayed opens, and the emotional payoff

    Halligan shares behind-the-scenes details: the awkward waiting period for the first trade, who gets on the NYSE platform, and why companies should choreograph the bell moment. Despite stress, the panel emphasizes the IPO as a uniquely meaningful milestone for founders and employees.

  6. CEO compensation is broken: RSUs vs. options, PSUs, and flawed performance triggers

    The discussion turns to Dylan Field’s compensation and the broader CEO comp system. Halligan criticizes RSU-heavy packages for encouraging risk aversion, while Rory critiques stock-price-based PSU triggers—especially when market moves can instantly ‘achieve’ targets without operational performance.

  7. Canva and the reopening IPO window: “Run, Forrest, run” vs. founder-specific constraints

    They debate whether high-demand IPOs should pull companies like Canva public. The group agrees markets are receptive and public capital may be cheaper than private capital now, but acknowledges unique factors like profitability, existing liquidity, and founder motives (including philanthropy).

  8. Public vs. private governance: activists, VC pressure, and why going public can be easier

    Halligan argues public investors are often more rational and less intrusive than late-stage private investors, with activists being notable but relatively rare. The panel agrees the fear of activism is often overstated, and that liquidity and a broader shareholder base can be beneficial.

  9. AI for SMB: why adoption is hard and what “cracking the code” looks like

    They explore why true AI products for SMBs are difficult: training, deployment effort, and lack of dedicated teams. The panel distinguishes prosumer tools (easier adoption) from SMB/enterprise use cases that require heavy customization, and predicts more pre-packaged AI solutions will emerge over time.

  10. Meta & Microsoft blowout quarters: cash machines funding massive AI capex

    The panel reads hyperscaler earnings as proof that legacy businesses are strong enough to bankroll enormous AI infrastructure spend. They argue the key story isn’t AI monetization fully working yet—it’s that these firms can afford to keep investing while the ecosystem catches up.

  11. CEO of the year debate: Jensen Huang vs. Satya Nadella vs. Mark Zuckerberg

    Prompted to choose between Zuck and Satya, the group elevates Jensen as the standout for creating a new, dominant category (GPUs at AI scale). They also credit Satya as a ‘re-founder’ who executed a complex partnership strategy with OpenAI inside a massive bureaucracy.

  12. Cognition + Windsurf at ~$15B and the “savage” M&A layoffs: brand, revenue, and culture signals

    After Halligan exits, the panel dissects the rumored Cognition/Windsurf valuation jump and the controversial post-acquisition workforce actions. They interpret the deal as buying distribution/brand and revenue acceleration more than the team, with the labor terms reflecting a hard cultural reset.

  13. Ramp’s $22B raise and ‘suicide rounds’: tiny dilution vs. punishing future expectations

    They analyze Ramp’s frequent fundraising through the lens of fintech capital intensity and opportunistic late-stage demand. The panel distinguishes between harmful ‘high-price, not-enough-money’ rounds and small-percentage raises that are cheap capital if the company doesn’t need to re-raise soon.

  14. CRV shrinks and skips the select fund: what it signals about venture strategy (and Benchmark’s model)

    The episode closes on fund strategy: CRV refocusing on what it does best, opportunity funds’ mixed payoff, and whether specialist firms can compete with full-stack giants. They frame it as a question of consistency—specialists risk being drowned out by noise, while platforms risk diluted returns from overexpansion.

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