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Sam Blond: Why Startups are Doing Outbound Wrong and How to Fix It | E1139

Sam Blond is the former CRO at Brex, where he led the company from near $0-$400M in ARR and a $12.5B valuation. Before Brex, Sam was VP of Sales at Zenefits, where he led the company from $0-$70M ARR in 2 years and a $4.5B valuation.

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Apr 11, 20241h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Sam Blond Reveals Why Startup Outbound Fails—and How To Fix It

  1. Former Brex and Zenefits CRO Sam Blond explains why most startups misdiagnose their sales bottleneck and dramatically underinvest in demand generation, particularly smart outbound. He argues founders must sell first, then hire two proven early-stage AEs, and obsess over opportunity creation rather than blaming missed quarters on slipped deals.
  2. He details how to hire, compensate, and ramp early sales reps, what profiles to avoid, and how to use personal networks instead of recruiters to source top performers. Blond also shares frameworks for diagnosing growth constraints, designing contrarian outbound and marketing campaigns, and aligning SDR/AE models to revenue, not activity.
  3. Throughout, he emphasizes work ethic, attitude, in‑person relationship-building, and creative, highly targeted demand-gen plays—from champagne and billboards to Rippling’s NPS-powered LinkedIn posts—over spray-and-pray sequences and overbuilt, uneconomic sales orgs.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Founders must close the first non–friends-and-family customers before hiring sales.

If a founder can’t sell the product and define a repeatable process to win a handful of real customers, no sales hire will magically fix that; salespeople amplify existing motion, they don’t create it from zero.

Your first two AEs should be top performers from early-stage startups, not domain experts from big brands.

Prior success as one of the first ~10 reps at a startup, with similar deal sizes and buyer types, matters far more than industry familiarity; over-indexing on “domain experience” usually means trading away true selling talent.

Source early sales hires through personal and investor networks, not recruiters.

The best AEs rarely go through third-party recruiters; systematically working founders’ past companies, current team networks, and investor referrals yields higher-performing, culturally aligned hires and creates a virtuous referral loop.

Most startups’ real bottleneck is demand generation, not closing skills.

Founders tend to blame missed targets on a few slipped deals, but in reality calendars show AEs with only an hour a day of customer-facing time; doubling qualified opportunities is often far easier and more impactful than trying to 2x win rates.

Make AEs responsible for sourcing their own pipeline and tie SDRs to revenue, not just meetings.

AEs understand what a high-quality opportunity looks like, so their outbound often outperforms SDRs; shifting SDR comp and targeting to revenue and proven high-converting personas fixes this while preserving AEs’ outbound muscle.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

For almost all startups, the bottleneck to growing faster is actually around demand gen—opportunity creation.

— Sam Blond

If you, as the founder, cannot close customers and generate revenue, people that specialize in sales will definitely not be able to.

— Sam Blond

Where people over-index is domain… it’s already so hard to find an exceptional early-stage, track-record-of-performance sales rep.

— Sam Blond

Everybody is doing outbound wrong… they drop the universe into a seven-email sequence and it goes right into the trash.

— Sam Blond

Today’s salespeople have gotten a little bit lazy… we’ve become overly dependent on marketing and SDRs to source our own leads.

— Sam Blond

Read the available transcript
Choosing and joining the right startup for a sales careerSequencing and profiling early sales hires (founder-led selling, first AEs, first sales leader, SDRs)How to compensate, onboard, and measure performance of early sales repsCorrectly diagnosing growth bottlenecks: demand generation vs. conversionDesigning effective outbound: concentric-circle targeting and contrarian campaignsStructuring SDR–AE responsibility for pipeline and revenueImpact of AI, remote work, and changing expectations on modern sales

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