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a16z Podcast | The (Definite) Optimism of Peter Thiel

What is Silicon Valley’s greatest reigning monopoly? How did PayPal manage to emerge from the dotcom implosion? Can you build a great tech company and keep it private forever? And how did Elon Musk manage to wreck an uninsured, million-dollar car with Peter Thiel in the passenger seat speeding on the way to a VC meeting? Marc Andreessen and Thiel discuss all of it in a wide-ranging conversation that toggles off the topics in Thiel’s new book “Zero to One.”

Marc AndreessenhostPeter Thielguest
Jan 2, 201946mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Peter Thiel on PayPal, Elon Musk, Monopolies, Bubbles, and Optimism

  1. Thiel recounts PayPal's chaotic path through the 2000 dot-com crash, including heavy cash burn, a fraud crisis, a pivot to payments, an IPO in February 2002, and a sale to eBay that July.
  2. He argues that PayPal's mix of hardship and success taught its alumni that building a great company is hard but possible, rather than impossible or easy.
  3. Thiel describes Elon Musk as extremely smart, hardworking, and ambitious, and says Tesla and SpaceX succeeded by picking weak competition and coordinating many pieces together.
  4. He says the real bubble is in government bonds and assets that behave like them, not in venture-backed tech, and that many large incumbents are effectively bets against technological innovation.
  5. Thiel advises founders to aim for monopoly, says it stays innovative mainly while founders run it, and expects a nuclear power revival as the anti-nuclear baby boomer generation loses power.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Hardship teaches the right lesson about building companies.

Thiel says people from failed companies learn that greatness is impossible, while people from effortless successes learn it is easy, and both lessons discourage hard work. PayPal taught that it is hard but possible.

Cash-rich chaos can delay finding a business model.

Having plenty of capital after the March 2000 peak was helpful, but Thiel says it may have slowed PayPal's move from upselling financial services to simply taking a slice of payments.

Conflict comes from people wanting the same thing.

Thiel argues that disputes arise when people want the same role or outcome, so a boss should give people different jobs. Startups struggle with this because roles are fluid and overlap.

Weak competition and coordination drove Musk's ventures.

Thiel says Tesla and SpaceX faced weak incumbents and that their real breakthrough was coordinating many pieces through vertical integration, similar to the iPhone.

The bubble is in government bonds, not venture tech.

Thiel says the public isn't involved in the current tech boom, with far fewer IPOs than in the late '90s. He sees bubble risk in assets tied to the risk-free rate, so he holds most of his net worth in illiquid Silicon Valley tech stocks.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

both the lesson that it's easy and the lesson that it's impossible are sort of equally wrong because, uh, both lessons, uh, tell you that you don't, there's no point in working hard or you don't need to work hard. You know, impossible, no point. Easy, no need. And so you end up not, uh, not doing what it takes.

— Peter Thiel

Conflict happens when different people wanna do the same thing. It's not when different people want different things, it's when people want the same thing.

— Peter Thiel

sort of opening a restaurant is my, sort of the paradigm example of an intensely competitive and really bad business idea.

— Peter Thiel

Microsoft is a bet that there will never be anything like Linux. It's a bet that there will be, uh, that the operating system won't shift to mobile platforms. It's a bet that nothing will change.

— Peter Thiel

I have probably three-quarters of my net worth is in illiquid tech stocks in Silicon Valley, and it's because I believe there's a giant bubble centered on government bonds, and this is the furthest I can get from it.

— Peter Thiel

PayPal's dot-com era survivalMerger with Elon Musk's X.comPayPal's sale to eBayElon Musk, Tesla, and SpaceXBubble versus government bondsTech versus anti-tech companiesMonopoly versus competition

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