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Pay Without Borders with Alex Bouaziz (Deel), Darren Murph (GitLab), and Sondre Rasch (Safetywing)

It’s been a century since the 40-hour work week was adopted, and decades since wifi has appeared on the scene. Despite countless new technologies fundamentally changing how we can work, many work practices have remained the same. COVID sent a shock into that system and many are left debating what the future of work holds. So in this episode, we speak with Alex Bouaziz, Darren Murph, and Sondre Rasch about the many ways companies are now being forced to adapt. Will companies shift toward more asynchronous work? How will a distributed model shift the way we hire? How will companies attract top talent, and is remote the only benefit that matters? What workers and companies will come out on top of this sea change? And of course… is the office dead? We’ll address these questions and more. Topics Covered: 00:00 - History of remote work 3:25 - Is the office dead? 7:30 - Async vs sync 16:30 - Building culture remotely 29:15 - Attracting top talent 31:26 - The evolution of benefits 38:54 - Remote work vs work 42:44 - Location-based pay 49:44 - Open salaries 55:37 - Vetting top talent 59:25 - The need to adapt 1:01:52 - Rewriting the rules 1:07:52 - Infrastructure gaps Resources: * GitLab’s Remote Handbook: https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/ * Deel’s Salary Insights Tool: https://www.deel.com/salary-insights * Deel’s State of Global Hiring report: https://www.deel.com/state-of-global-hiring-2022 Deel: * Deel’s website: https://www.deel.com/ * Deel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/deel * Alex on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Bouazizalex SafetyWing * SafetyWing’s website: https://safetywing.com/ * SafetyWing on Twitter: https://twitter.com/safetywing * Sondre on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SRasch GitLab: * GitLab’s website: https://about.gitlab.com/ * GitLab on Twitter: https://twitter.com/gitlab * Darren on Twitter: https://twitter.com/darrenmurph Stay Updated: * Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/a16z * Find us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z * Subscribe on your favorite podcast app: https://a16z.simplecast.com/ * Follow our host: https://twitter.com/stephsmithio Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. For more details please see a16z.com/disclosures.

Darren MurphguestSteph SmithhostAlex BouazizguestSondre Raschguest
Dec 20, 20221h 19mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Remote Work Reshapes Hiring, Pay, Culture, Benefits and Global Infrastructure

  1. The guests argue that the office mentality is fading and that remote work is becoming simply work, though they differ on whether companies should be fully asynchronous.
  2. Darren Murph describes GitLab's async-first approach, including optional meetings, agendas, a handbook and a focus on knowledge retrieval, while Alex Bouaziz and Sondre Rasch say async fits some stages and functions better than others.
  3. Building culture remotely relies on explicit values, written communication and creative bonding formats such as community impact outings and random weekly groups rather than copied Zoom happy hours.
  4. On pay, SafetyWing uses a flat salary and Deel pays by country rates, while Darren Murph warns that cutting pay after a move carries hidden rehiring and knowledge-loss costs.
  5. The panel sees large infrastructure gaps and startup opportunities, including legal arbitration, global credit scores, equity tools, nomad visas, life design services and distributed decision-making frameworks.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The office mentality is dying more than the physical office

Darren Murph says the persona people had to carry to fit in is ending and the physical office gets a new lease on life as a place for gatherings, while Sondre Rasch says economics will push companies toward hiring the best in the world.

Async and sync should complement each other

Darren Murph treats them as two tools in a toolbox and makes meetings optional with agendas required. Alex Bouaziz says async suits some functions and company stages more than others, and Sondre Rasch limits meetings to set time windows.

Remote culture needs explicit, enforced values

Sondre Rasch says values must be modeled, hired for, rewarded and treated as hard constraints, and Darren Murph adds that culture means values, camaraderie and defined ways of working.

Being remote is no longer enough to attract top talent

Darren Murph says more employers offer remote roles and more talent is seeking them, so remote companies are held to a higher standard of intentional infrastructure.

Pay approaches diverge and each has costs

Sondre Rasch argues for flat pay because remote workers enter a global labor market, Alex Bouaziz pays by country, and Darren Murph cautions that cutting salaries after relocation brings rehiring and lost-knowledge costs.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

It's no longer good enough to just be remote. You have to be intentional about investing in teams and leaders and tooling to build the infrastructure to make it an awesome experience.

— Darren Murph

If you are thoughtful and deliberate enough to move a piece of work forward without commandeering 30 or 50 minutes of someone's day, you are fundamentally being more respectful of their time.

— Darren Murph

Remote work is not remote work, it's just work, right? And I'm hoping the term remote work kind of disappears over time.

— Alex Bouaziz

We're building the first global social safety net for the first country on the internet.

— Sondre Rasch

This is the workplace cassette moment or fax machine moment, and it's very much a massive shift that shouldn't be underestimated.

— Darren Murph

Is the office deadAsync versus sync workBuilding culture remotelyAttracting and vetting top talentBenefits and global social safety netLocation-based versus flat payInfrastructure gaps and opportunities

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