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Digital Humans and the Story Behind Lil Miquela

You’ve probably heard of Lil Miquela. The 19 year-old Brazilian-American influencer has millions of followers and has partnered with the likes of Samsung and Prada. But despite capturing the hearts of many, she’s not real. But you probably haven’t heard her origin story. In this episode we take a trip back to 2016, to a world that looked much different to today, together with two of Miquela’s creators – Trevor McFedries and Isaac Bratzel – cofounder and Chief Design and Innovation Officer of Brud at the time. We learn what inspired the experiment and what early signs indicated that Miquela was not just a novel idea. In a world where spinning up an influencer, we learn what it took to capture mindshare, the pushback they’ve received, what a “scalable influencer” means, and what they think is to come. Topics Covered: 00:00 - Introduction 02:11 - The key insight 04:09 - A new breed of influencers 06:45 - Miquela’s aesthetic 10:11 - Early signs of success 13:47 - Narrative and fan engagement 17:36 - The technology 1:13 - Expanding past Miquela 23:52 - Traction and generative AI 27:22 - A new reality 33:39 - Early pushback 36:40 - Misunderstanding reality 38:16 - Fear of new technologies 39:40 - New technological unlocks 43:17 - Scalable influencers Resources: * Lil Miquela on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lilmiquela/ * Lil Miquela on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWeHb_SrtJbrT8VD-_QQpRA * Find Trevor on Twitter: https://twitter.com/whatdotcd?lang=en * Find Isaac on Twitter: https://twitter.com/izykbenjamin * Find Brud on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brud.fyi * Isaac’s new avatar company: https://www.avataros.com/ Stay Updated: * Find a16z on Twitter: https://twitter.com/a16z * Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z * Subscribe on your favorite podcast app: https://a16z.simplecast.com/ * Follow our host: https://twitter.com/stephsmithio Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. For more details please see a16z.com/disclosures.

Trevor McFedriesguestSteph SmithhostIsaac Bratzelguest
Mar 31, 202347mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Lil Miquela's creators on building digital humans and scalable celebrity

  1. Trevor McFedries says Brud aimed to build a 'Disney on social' by telling fictional stories through a photorealistic character on platforms then seen as nonfiction spaces, in order to spread tolerance and empathy.
  2. McFedries and Isaac Bratzel describe design choices like Miquela's age, Brazilian heritage, space buns and freckles, and a reverse media pyramid that started with still images and let fan engagement shape the story.
  3. Bratzel explains that long-form animated digital humans were extremely expensive, which bottlenecked scaling, so the team used constraints like Bloco's mask, limited hair and hidden feet to work efficiently.
  4. Both argue that AI lowers barriers but raises competition, making it easy to be good and hard to be excellent, and that audiences will seek substance; McFedries also says authenticity and 'realness' are often misjudged.
  5. They discuss early ethical pushback such as verified accounts for fictional characters, compare it to today's reactions to AI and NFTs, and look ahead to persistent, interoperable 3D characters, decentralized ownership, and scalable celebrity.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Narrative matters more than the technology

Both guests stress that tools like AI don't guarantee success, comparing it to cheap music software not making everyone a star; connecting with fans through story is the hard part.

Start small and let fans shape the story

Brud inverted the traditional media pyramid, beginning with a character and still images and using fast feedback to decide what longer-form content to make.

Recognizable features and intentional constraints help

Space buns and freckles made Miquela instantly recognizable, as in a Halloween costume, while constraints like a masked Bloco, bald heads and hidden feet reduced technical difficulty.

Digital humans are very costly at long-form quality

Bratzel says social posts could reach about 90% quality at much lower cost, but animated content for film or games needed big investment, which blocked scaling Miquela.

AI will make competent work easy and excellence rare

McFedries argues backward-looking models create feedback loops of sameness, like Netflix's repeated formats, so audiences will seek substance and unique skill.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

It was like, can we create Disney on social? Can we tell stories that are as engaging as a Kardashian or a Jake Paul, but kind of imbue th- th- these ideologies that make for a more tolerant, empathetic world?

— Trevor McFedries

We don't think exponentially, we think additively, so we're like, "Oh yeah, you add that, that third dimension," and it's like, yeah, just another layer. And it's not. It's completely a whole order of magnitude shift.

— Isaac Bratzel

It's gonna be really easy to be good at things. Good at making music, good at making visual art, good at, you know, creating content. It's gonna be really hard to be excellent

— Trevor McFedries

the idea that you're gonna, like, reject this and then it's just gonna stop in its tracks is just the most w- wishful thinking thing I've ever, I could ever imagine, right?

— Isaac Bratzel

Pikachu is the reason you get Pokémon Go. You know, you don't wanna just walk around your yard scanning stuff. You wanna follow Pikachu somewhere.

— Trevor McFedries

Origin of Lil Miquela and BrudParafiction and fan-driven narrativeCharacter design and recognizabilityTechnical bottlenecks of digital humansGenerative AI versus 3D avatarsAuthenticity and the sliding scale of realityEthical pushback and decentralized influencers

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