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Privateer’s Steve Wozniak, Alex Fielding, and Dr. Moriba Jah on the Data Highway Above

Many people consider space to be the next frontier and equally an infinite horizon to explore. But the reality is that not all “space” is the same and there are strategic zones that don’t only matter up there – but down here on Earth. Lower Earth Orbit (LEO) is one of those regions – a zone filled with satellites that support life on Earth, from agriculture to climate to navigation to defense. Unfortunately, these live satellites are not alone in our space highways. LEO is getting increasingly clogged with space debris; we’re polluting our skies just like we’re polluting our land. In this episode, we have the pleasure of speaking with all three cofounders of Privateer – Steve Wozniak, Alex Fielding, and Dr. Moriba Jah, as they explore just how much junk is up there, how this challenge is expected to progress with time due to lower launch costs, and ultimately, what infrastructure is missing in this fragile ecosystem – from tracking to global treaties to a sharing economy of satellites. By the end of the episode, listeners should be more equipped to understand how our infrastructure in space vastly impacts life on Earth, how the preservation of this ecosystem is crucial, and how Privateer is providing the map to better understand and fix the issue. Topics covered: 00:00 - Intro 3:31 - Why space and why now? 9:10 - The changing perception around space 13:51 - Exponential technologies and thinking different 16:56 - Inventors vs engineers vs visionaries 19:11 - Early days at Apple and moving towards the future 21:19 - Steve’s personal fascinations 24:28 - How vocabulary drives awareness 25:12 - Is space really an infinite void? 26:28 - The growing pollution in space 29:48 - The impact of space down on Earth 31:11 - The challenge of space policy and governance 39:04 - Orbital highways and carrying capacities 41:45 - Dependence on space infrastructure and its fragility 45:57 - Privateer’s role in the evolving ecosystem 47:36 - Democratizing space through data sharing 50:31 - Can we undo the damage that’s been done? 52:53 - Determining intent in space 59:17 - Talent needed in the space industry 1:02:09 - Privateer’s biggest challenges 1:10:36 - Space stewardship and Hawaii’s kuleana 1:16:41 - Who inspires Alex? 1:23:27 - Woz returns! Resources: * Privateer’s website: https://mission.privateer.com/ * Privateer’s Wayfinder tool: https://mission.privateer.com/ * Privateer on Twitter: https://twitter.com/PrivateerSpace * Steve Wozniak on Twitter: https://twitter.com/stevewoz * Alex Fielding on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Alex__Fielding * Dr. Moriba Jah on Twitter: https://twitter.com/moribajah Stay Updated: * Find us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/a16z * Find us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z * Subscribe on your favorite podcast app: https://a16z.simplecast.com/ * Follow our host: https://twitter.com/stephsmithio Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. For more details please see a16z.com/disclosures.

Steve WozniakguestSteph SmithhostAlex FieldingguestDr. Moriba Jahguest
Nov 9, 20221h 26mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Privateer's Founders Warn of Space Debris and Push Open Data

  1. Steve Wozniak explains he joined Privateer through his friend Alex Fielding, framing space cleanup like tidying a messy house and stressing transparency, with reflections on inventors versus engineers and iterating toward the future.
  2. Moriba Jah and Alex Fielding describe low Earth orbit as a finite resource crowded with a small fraction of working satellites, tens of thousands of trackable objects, and over a million pieces too small to see.
  3. The guests argue that governance is weak: the Space Act and treaties lack enforcement and right-of-way rules, over 40% of registered objects are reportedly out of compliance, and responsibility falls on governments rather than companies.
  4. Privateer's approach is to give away tools like Wayfinder and conjunction software, build a shared data source based on mutual contribution, and support a circular economy for space spanning prevention, reuse, removal, and avoiding abandonment.
  5. Fielding closes by arguing that empathy, accessibility, and stewardship, tied to the Hawaiian concepts of pono and kuleana, are the keys to success, and that the timing is urgent as commercial launches now dominate.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Orbital space where satellites operate is finite, even if outer space is not.

Jah says satellites sit on specific orbital highways close to Earth, and Fielding estimates only about 110 million 10-kilometer bubbles fit between 250 and 1,000 kilometers, roughly one year of auto industry production.

Most debris is untracked and still dangerous.

Fielding says there are over a million pieces smaller than a centimeter, while ground radar mainly sees objects larger than a softball, which travel around 18,000 miles an hour.

Space rules exist but lack enforcement and basic traffic norms.

Fielding notes there is no defined right of way and cites a finding that over 40% of registered objects are out of compliance, while Jah says legal responsibility rests with governments, so transparency may be the main deterrent.

Privateer aims to give away safety data rather than charge for it.

Fielding criticizes past pay-to-avoid-collision services as extortion-like and says Privateer will offer tools free, with contribution of state vectors and telemetry resulting in shared capability.

Intent in space cannot be measured directly and must not be assumed hostile.

Jah says there is no intent-o-meter, and that assuming malice from capability alone, like a grappling arm, risks escalation, so social science and cultural context should inform the data.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

So I'm closer to low Earth orbit than I am to you, and I think that's what people just don't realize.

— Dr. Moriba Jah

You know that the orbital carrying capacity is past its limit when our decisions and actions can no longer prevent bad things from happening.

— Dr. Moriba Jah

You wouldn't get on a passenger jet if you got told when you boarded the plane, "There's a million little bullets flying around, and this is going to make your life potentially very miserable.

— Alex Fielding

I believe that if you did that damage one step at a time, you can undo the damage one step at a time.

— Alex Fielding

It's like you say, "When is your birthday?" "Oh, it was, uh, two days ago. August 23." No, the birthday should be when the Earth is around the sun at the same place.

— Steve Wozniak

Space debris and orbital pollutionLow Earth orbit as a finite resourceSpace policy, treaties, and enforcementOpen data and space situational awarenessCircular economy in spaceInventors, engineers, and visionariesEmpathy, stewardship, and Hawaiian kuleana

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