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The Economics of AI Usage and What's Next For SaaS | Benedict Evans on a16z

Erik Torenberg speaks with tech analyst Benedict Evans about the current state of AI, what has changed over the past year, and which questions remain unanswered. The conversation covers coding agents, foundation models, AI infrastructure spending, software economics, and the tension between today's AI excitement and the long-term realities of technology adoption. Evans discusses why coding has emerged as AI's first breakout use case, how previous platform shifts can help frame the current moment, and why many of the most important questions about AI remain unresolved. Along the way, they explore the future of software, enterprise adoption, consumer behavior, and whether AI models ultimately capture value themselves or become infrastructure for the next generation of applications. Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:44 - What's Changed Since Last Year 05:53 - OpenAI vs Anthropic Strategy 10:31 - The Pricing Crunch & Platform History 22:48 - What Comes After Coding 38:18 - AI & the Future of Enterprise Software 48:43 - The CapEx Problem 55:07 - Will Models Become Commodities? Resources: Follow Benedict Evans on X: https://x.com/benedictevans Follow Erik Torenberg on X: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Read Content Isn’t King: https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2017/7/13/content-isnt-king Read Netflix is Not a Tech Company: https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/7/31/Netflix Stay Updated: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, subscribe, and share with your friends! Find a16z on X: https://twitter.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Listen to the a16z Show on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5bC65RDvs3oxnLyqqvkUYX Listen to the a16z Show on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a16z-podcast/id842818711 Follow our host: https://x.com/eriktorenberg Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. a16z and its affiliates may maintain investments in the companies discussed. For more details please see http://a16z.com/disclosures.

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Jun 8, 20261h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Benedict Evans on AI economics, commoditization, and SaaS’avenir ahead

  1. Agentic coding has become the first clear “pull” use case for LLMs, concentrating product focus while other daily-use consumer workflows remain uncertain.
  2. The market is in a temporary disequilibrium where token demand, infrastructure capacity, and pricing are misaligned—similar to early mobile data shocks—so today’s economics likely won’t persist.
  3. Evans argues foundation models and chatbots are unlikely to be durable end-products because differentiation and network effects are weak, pushing value creation up the stack into software, workflows, and domain solutions.
  4. Historical platform analogies (PCs, web, mobile, telecom) are useful for asking questions but not for predicting winners; at this stage multiple paths remain plausible.
  5. In enterprise and services industries, the biggest impacts may come from reorganizing work (tasks vs jobs, pyramid structures) and from AI enabling entirely new analyses and decisions, not just faster versions of old workflows.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Coding is the clearest near-term AI wedge, but it doesn’t answer “then what?”

Evans sees agentic coding as the first indisputable PMF that customers “pull,” yet the larger question is which other domains will cross that threshold and become daily habits.

Today’s token economics resemble early mobile data chaos—expect pricing systems to normalize.

He compares surprise token bills and underpriced subscriptions to 2009–2010 mobile data, where operators had to realign pricing, throttling, and bundles to match marginal costs and capacity.

Foundation models may behave like commodity infrastructure more than platforms like iOS.

Evans doubts sustainable differentiation and notes the lack of obvious network effects; if multiple labs offer similar capability on similar chips, long-run pricing power is hard to justify.

“Chatbot” is a V1 interface, not the product end-state.

Most valuable applications require tooling, data access, guardrails, and workflow design—akin to purpose-built software (TurboTax, InDesign) rather than generic prompting.

AI likely increases software proliferation, not consolidation into a single model UI.

Enterprise work already spans big horizontal systems (SAP/Workday), hundreds of SaaS apps, and “Excel/email” improvisation; AI becomes another option that spawns more apps, features, and internal tools.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Agentic coding went from being kind of useful to really changing everything. It's going to be magic, and in 20 years' time we'll just say, "Well, of course, that's how it is. Computer's always done that."

Benedict Evans

I don't think foundation models are a product. I don't think a chatbot is a product. I think the value will be further up.

Benedict Evans

History teaches us nothing except that something will happen.

Benedict Evans

One of the characteristics of tech is that the moment that you understand something and you know how it works and what's gonna happen is the moment you should move on to something else.

Benedict Evans

We are in this extreme scarcity. Like, we can't spend $10 trillion a year on our AI infrastructure 'cause there isn't $10 trillion a year there to spend on it.

Benedict Evans

Agentic coding product-market fitOpenAI vs Anthropic strategic divergenceToken pricing crunch and capacity scarcityModel commoditization vs pricing powerCapEx “financial gravity” and infrastructure buildoutEnterprise software reconfiguration (Excel/SaaS/big iron)New AI-enabled workflows in ads, commerce, and analytics

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