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When Two Giants Intersect: Healthcare Meets Fintech

In this episode, GPs Julie Yoo and David Haber explain where the healthcare system breaks down and how the three party system—between payers, providers, and consumers—can be rethought through the lens of fintech. 00:00 - Introduction 02:50 - The intersection of healthcare and Fintech 05:40 - The problems within US healthcare 08:58 - The stats behind US healthcare 12:05 - Where do the problems stem from in healthcare? 15:45 - New unlocks and regulatory changes 17:55 - Pushback on regulations 19:57 - Provider and patient models and transparency 21:40 - The ‘No Surprises Act’ and the ‘Cures Act’ 23:55 - Applying fintech infrastructure to healthcare 26:45 - Example: how Juniper in embedding fintech in healthcare 30:44 - Opportunities in the healthcare/fintech market 33:43 - Payvidors unbundled 35:50 - The financial operating system for healthcare 38:23 - How founders can approach the problems 39:27 - The investor standpoint on company opportunities 41:50 - Unsolved problems in the market 46:48- The bridge between start-ups and incumbents 48:40 - Healthcare incumbent stats 50:20 - The window of opportunity for healthcare and fintech Resources: * Link to microsite on Healthcare Meets Fintech: https://a16z.com/healthcare-meets-fintech * Read the article ‘Healthtech x Fintech’s Biggest Prize: The Financial Operating System for Healthcare: https://a16z.com/2023/02/07/healthtech-x-fintechs-biggest-prize/ * Read the article ‘ Payvidors, Unbundled: Opportunities in Healthcare Fintech’:https://a16z.com/2022/06/01/payvidors-unbundled-opportunities-in-healthcare-fintech/ * Find Julie on Twitter :https://twitter.com/julesyoo * Find David on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dhaber Stay Updated: Find a16z on Twitter: https://twitter.com/a16z Find a16z on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/a16z Subscribe on your favorite podcast app: https://a16z.simplecast.com/ Follow our host: https://twitter.com/stephsmithio Please note that the content here is for informational purposes only; should NOT be taken as legal, business, tax, or investment advice or be used to evaluate any investment or security; and is not directed at any investors or potential investors in any a16z fund. For more details please see a16z.com/disclosures.

Julie YooguestSteph SmithhostDavid Haberguest
May 9, 202351mWatch on YouTube ↗

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At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Why Fintech Infrastructure Could Fix America's Broken Healthcare Payments System

  1. Julie Yoo explains that healthcare is split among providers, payers and patients, and that the people delivering and receiving care are not the ones handling payment, which drives incentive misalignment, surprise bills and opaque pricing.
  2. Yoo and David Haber cite stats including $4.3 trillion in annual spending (about 20% of GDP), roughly a third of hospital revenue going to administrative collection costs, and half of Americans carrying medical debt.
  3. Regulatory shifts such as price transparency rules, the No Surprises Act, the Cures Act and value-based payment models, plus pandemic-driven urgency, are described as tailwinds for new startups.
  4. Haber argues that embedded fintech, shown through examples like Juniper and Thatch, lets healthcare companies use payment-flow data for underwriting, working capital and better products.
  5. Both investors say founders need hybrid healthcare and fintech expertise, and they name unsolved problems such as insuring costly long-payoff therapies across employer plan churn and bridging startups with large incumbents.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Separation of care from payment drives dysfunction

Yoo says providers and patients, who deliver and receive services, are not the parties paying or seeing the payment flow, which causes incentive misalignment, surprise bills and opacity.

Administrative overhead consumes a large share of revenue

Yoo cites that roughly a third of every dollar a hospital collects goes to administrative tasks like filing and negotiating claims, leaving about a seventy percent yield.

Regulation can act as a tailwind for innovation

Yoo points to meaningful use for electronic health records and says price transparency and the Cures Act spawned companies like Turquoise Health and patient record apps.

Fintech is becoming a third business-model leg

Haber says that alongside advertising and transactions, embedded financial products can drive engagement, retention and monetization, and he argues every healthcare company is or will become a fintech company.

Owning the payment flow enables better underwriting

Juniper processes all of a clinic's revenue and sees repayment patterns, which allows it to advance working capital without adverse selection, while Thatch's healthcare-aware card gives utilization data to improve employer benefits.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

the people delivering the service and receiving the service Are not the people paying or, you know, sort of privy to, to the payments flow of those services. And that very bifurcation is what causes so much of the incentive misalignment that we experience in our healthcare system today.

— Julie Yoo

It's rare that people talk excitedly about regulation, but healthcare is one of those domains where I think regulation can be a tailwind for innovation and, and category creation.

— Julie Yoo

One of my sort of core beliefs, I think both in life, but, but specifically in investing, is that opportunities live between fields of expertise, and I find myself really enjoying kind of spending time at those intersections.

— David Haber

Simply put, if you're from healthcare, go find your David Haber, and if you're in fintech- go find your Julie Yoo.

— Julie Yoo

Half of Americans, you know, carry medical debt today. Twenty percent of them don't believe they'll ever be able to pay it off.

— David Haber

Payer-provider-patient incentive misalignmentUS healthcare spending and administrative wastePrice transparency and healthcare regulationValue-based payment modelsEmbedded fintech in healthcareJuniper and Thatch examplesPayvidors unbundled and financial operating system

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