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ADHD Chatter Podcast4 Late Diagnosed ADHD Women Share Life Hacks | Christmas Special
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Cold open: quick ADHD anecdotes and roundtable setup
The episode opens with fast, funny snapshots of how ADHD shows up for the guests, then the host sets up a special group conversation. Alex Partridge introduces the four returning guests and frames the aim: swapping lived experiences to help others make sense of ADHD.
- •Kat Brown mentions personal responsibility alongside having ADHD
- •Ellie Middleton describes a “new form of masking,” no longer as neurotypical but as an “ADHD expert” persona
- •Shappi Khorsandi shares a comedic misunderstanding caused by not reading emails
- •Alex Partridge introduces Kat Brown, Stacey Duguid, Ellie Middleton, and Shappi Khorsandi and explains the episode’s purpose
What they’ve learned since their episodes: ADHD as part of a bigger life picture
After the sponsor break, Alex asks what they’ve learned about themselves since appearing on the show. Kat Brown emphasizes that ADHD isn’t isolated—it interacts with health, work, home life, and emotional regulation, and understanding that has made difficult periods more manageable.
- •Kat Brown says it’s less about “just ADHD” and more about how it fits into the layers of her life
- •She connects coping tools from a 12-step program, therapy, reading, and friends to understanding her brain
- •Kat describes feeling like an imposter while dealing with serious health problems and reduced capacity to work or “pull my weight”
- •Alex notes imposter syndrome as a major theme and asks others if they relate
Dual lives and “ADHD expert” masking: public persona vs private reality
Ellie Middleton expands on imposter syndrome by describing the gap between how others perceive her and how she feels day-to-day. She reframes “unmasking” as sometimes becoming a different kind of mask—performing an ADHD-advocate identity that can still feel separate from the self.
- •Ellie describes living a “dual life”: public-facing author/ADHD figure versus private struggles
- •She highlights the difficulty of “taking your own advice” despite being able to explain feelings and coping strategies to others
- •Ellie says she can’t always show bad days publicly, which adds to the disconnect
- •She describes post-diagnosis identity shifts, including questioning whether she stopped doing enjoyable things (like football or gigs) for the “right” reasons
Oversharing, vulnerability, and posting with boundaries
Stacey Duguid describes how writing publicly about her diagnosis created expectations that she would continue to expose her private life. She reflects on shutting down after feeling judged, then re-committing to sharing with clearer boundaries—accepting that some people simply aren’t the intended audience.
- •Stacey recounts her path to diagnosis via therapy and psychiatry, and then writing a highly vulnerable newspaper piece
- •She describes a self-perpetuating cycle: sharing leads to attention, which pressures further sharing
- •Stacey says well-meaning friends questioned whether she was “okay,” which made her stop posting and retreat behind another “mask”
- •After women cried while discussing her book at a conference, she rethinks hiding and plans to share with boundaries and clearer audience intent
One-lane social media pressures and being pigeonholed
The group discusses how social media rewards staying in a single “lane,” which clashes with ADHD’s multi-interest reality. Kat Brown describes anxiety about confusing audiences when her topics shifted, while Alex explains intentionally centering his identity and work around ADHD as a lifeline away from addiction and depression.
- •Kat Brown says social media success often requires staying in one silo, which feels incompatible with ADHD
- •She describes releasing an ADHD book and an infertility book close together and feeling pressure to only post ADHD content afterward
- •Kat says she struggles with selling simplified “change your life in 15 seconds” content and instead retreats into panic and stories-only posting
- •Alex says he intentionally pigeonholed himself into ADHD work after a period of Xbox addiction and severe depression, fearing he’d replace gaming with alcohol if he didn’t channel his focus
Imposter syndrome in comedy, and replacing apology with self-acceptance
Shappi Khorsandi describes long-standing imposter feelings and how self-understanding changed how she navigates work, social situations, and mistakes. She explains learning to stop apologizing for her brain, own limitations directly, and set boundaries around being mocked for “scattiness,” even while feeling nostalgia for past chaos.
- •Shappi reflects on resentment toward the term “imposter syndrome,” especially given being a woman and not white in comedy spaces
- •She describes past self-deprecation in professional settings and later realizing it was “battering yourself into the ground”
- •Shappi shares practical boundary shifts: more direct emails, fewer apologies, and asking for help without shame (e.g., dyslexia and names on stage)
- •She describes missing parts of her old chaotic spontaneity but not wanting that chaos in her life anymore
Leaving early, ‘Irish exits,’ and managing the social battery at parties
The conversation turns to party dynamics: sudden shutdowns, the stress of saying goodbye, and fear of seeming rude. The group shares tactics for leaving in a way that reduces anxiety and preserves relationships, including prioritizing the host, using a plus-one as support, and following up afterward.
- •Alex describes leaving without saying goodbye and the next-day anxiety about being perceived as rude
- •Ellie describes the “glitch” moment where the brain is suddenly “out of charge,” making goodbyes cognitively hard
- •Shappi says she says goodbye to the host and reframes judgments as a “them issue,” noting she doesn’t judge others who leave early
- •Ellie shares a follow-up message strategy the next day to reinforce goodwill even if she didn’t say goodbye in the moment
Spontaneity vs anxiety: coping, consequences, and sobriety in social life
The group reflects on why a neurodivergent-friendly room can feel more relaxed and spontaneous than typical settings. Kat describes how chronic anxiety and perfectionism can “hold” ADHD traits in place, and how sobriety revealed the extent to which alcohol had been masking social anxiety—while also clarifying consequences and choices.
- •Ellie says group settings feel less pressurized than one-on-one because she can “dip in and out”
- •Shappi describes embracing not knowing who would be there and trusting her ability to “roll with it”
- •Kat references the idea that chronic anxiety/perfectionism can keep chaotic traits in check, but at a cost
- •Kat says giving up drinking highlighted how much social anxiety alcohol had been covering, and she discusses weighing outcomes when choosing whether to attend events
Intrusive escape fantasies, fear vs anxiety, and using curiosity to prevent panic
Kat and Shappi talk about intrusive thoughts—wishing a disaster would happen to avoid an overwhelming event—and the shame that can follow avoidance. Shappi shares a technique: deliberately shifting into curiosity to reduce fear, and describes how self-understanding transformed her relationship to stand-up from “extreme sport” to craft.
- •Kat asks about intrusive thoughts of hoping for a disaster to avoid anxiety-provoking events
- •Shappi shares past fantasies of a minor car crash as an “unarguable” excuse to avoid performing when overwhelmed
- •Alex distinguishes everyday anxiety from deeper fear that triggers shutdown, relating it to his own pre-gig thoughts
- •Shappi shares the idea: “If you feel curiosity, you can’t feel fear,” describing noticing details and staying present to stop panic attacks
‘Phoenixes in the flames’: thriving in crisis, struggling with small tasks
Alex asks why neurodivergent people can be both highly avoidant of small steps and yet willing to take huge public risks. Kat frames it as thriving in intensity—being calm in real emergencies but overwhelmed by low-stakes admin—then describes how acceptance changes her relationship to task initiation.
- •Alex notes a paradox: reluctance around small social tasks yet boldness in public-facing risks
- •Kat compares ADHD people to “phoenixes” who thrive in flames but struggle with ordinary routine
- •After the midpoint sponsor, Kat says her mind becomes quiet in genuine crises, while small tasks can cause frenzy
- •Kat describes acceptance as knowing she will eventually do what’s needed, even if starting is hard
Attention to detail spirals: unread emails, mismatched gigs, and improvised survival
The conversation becomes a string of stories about missing details and the fallout—professional mishaps, money lost, and awkward misunderstandings. Shappi and Kat share examples from comedy, presenting, and journalism; Alex adds a university-era business idea that collapsed due to overlooked admin.
- •Kat describes the “pilot light” problem for initiating small tasks like admin, reading, and properly reading emails
- •Shappi says not reading emails led to signing up for a Norway democracy panel thinking it was comedy, and losing money after misreading a brand deal offer
- •Shappi recounts agreeing to host a sing-along Sound of Music event without realizing she had to sing, and other early-career confusion
- •Kat shares being sent to do red carpet one-on-ones without seeing the film first and having to “stress dream” interviews
- •Alex describes creating a late-night pizza delivery setup at university that was shut down for lacking a food safety certificate—an admin/attention-to-detail miss
Shared community themes: ‘hard mode,’ identity, and taking responsibility after diagnosis
Alex asks what themes recur across the ADHD community. Ellie and others describe the universal feeling of being an outsider, life running on “hard mode,” and discovering that many “personal flaws” are actually shared ADHD experiences—while also emphasizing responsibility and finding workable systems rather than giving up.
- •Kat describes a common arc: feeling like an alien, then realizing you’re not the only one
- •Ellie says many people wish for just one day where everything runs smoothly, because simple tasks take huge effort
- •Stacey describes habitual self-blame (e.g., “clumsy old me”) and shares a stressful travel chain reaction caused by overlooked logistics
- •Ellie argues unmasking isn’t “I can’t do this so I won’t,” but “this is harder—how do I find ways around it?” and emphasizes support, accommodations, and self-forgiveness in big projects like writing
Social media nuance, ‘learned helplessness,’ and stepping away from being ‘one thing’
The group debates how ADHD content online can flatten nuance and sometimes encourage helplessness, while also acknowledging the value of shared knowledge. They discuss disengaging from bad-faith arguments, resisting constant judgment, and recognizing when it’s time to step away from feeds that pressure them into becoming a curated “brand.”
- •Kat warns that some social media narratives can enable “learned helplessness,” where everything is attributed to ADHD
- •Shappi clarifies her concern as a broader social-media lack of nuance and curiosity, especially in short-form content
- •Kat describes choosing curiosity for genuine questions but disengaging from bad-faith engagement, and notes she follows huskies to decompress
- •Kat and Shappi both reject the idea they must curate a single coherent “brand,” saying they are not “just one thing” and can accept a messy online presence
Recent ADHD moments and practical ‘life hacks’: sleep, breathing, body doubling, and friendships
Alex asks for recent funny examples of ADHD showing up, then invites tips that have helped since diagnosis. The group shares everyday mishaps alongside strategies centered on basics—sleep, food, fresh air, breathing space before reacting—and the value of calm connection and body doubling. They close by reflecting on shifting friendships and boundaries as part of healing.
- •Kat jokes about assuming there would be food during recording, then needing a bread basket after skipping meals
- •Ellie admits forgetting pajamas on a London trip and improvising sleepwear
- •Shappi describes hyperfocusing on an overly long email to her daughter’s school about rejection sensitivity dysphoria and later accepting being seen as “a weirdo”
- •Shappi emphasizes breathing/pausing before reacting, prioritizing sleep, and assuming others don’t mean harm; Ellie echoes returning to basics like sleep, meals, fresh air, sunshine, and exercise
- •Shappi and Alex discuss “passing the time” with someone and body doubling; Kat shares doing body doubling for physio exercises
- •They reflect on boundaries changing friendships—some people dropping away, and accepting not being for everyone—before Alex thanks the guests and wraps up
