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ADHD Chatter Podcast

The No.1 ADHD Expert: How To Master Your ADHD - Dr NED Hallowell

Dr Ned Hallowell is a Harvard educated psychiatrist, author, and the world's No.1 authority on ADHD.

Dr. Ned HallowellguestAlex Partridgehost

Nov 5, 20241h 50mWatch on YouTube

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Growing Up Different and Rejection Sensitivity
After the sponsor read and the reveal of his Lamborghini item, Ned says he has ADHD and recalls always feeling different growing up. He describes rejection sensitive dysphoria through a story of fixating on one scowling face at a Harvard talk, and the 1981 lecture where he first heard of attention deficit disorder.
- •Ned felt different growing up because of a chaotic family, left-handedness and being noticeably smart
- •People with ADD are very sensitive, and a little ridicule can shut them down for ages
- •The grand rounds story: a standing ovation, yet he dwelt on one scowling woman
- •Hearing a lecture on attention deficit disorder in 1981 was a great aha moment
- •The condition was once called minimal brain dysfunction
From Moral Blame to Biology: History of ADHD
Ned traces how people like those with ADHD were long judged morally and punished, until a 1937 doctor's amphetamine trial showed a biological basis. He explains that boredom is their kryptonite, that time is experienced as "now and not now", and why society's demand for neatness and punctuality misses their gifts.
- •Until the 20th century the condition was viewed through morality and religion, with punishment as the treatment
- •In 1937 a Providence doctor gave amphetamine to out-of-control boys, who called it their arithmetic pill
- •Medication is likened to eyeglasses for the nearsighted
- •Last-minute panic works as self-medication because adrenaline resembles ADHD medication
- •Businesses that punish lateness and messiness lose their most gifted people
Gifts, Stigma and Diagnosing Women
Alex describes wanting a more balanced narrative than struggle, struggle, struggle, and Ned agrees that creativity and vision cannot be bought or taught. He talks about the stigma he faced, the joy of diagnosing adult women who were previously labelled depressed or anxious, and the false self people build to hide.
- •Creativity, originality, drive and vision can't be bought or taught, while weaknesses can be managed
- •Whoever invented the wheel definitely had ADD, in Ned's words
- •Adult women are the biggest undiagnosed group and are often diagnosed with depression or anxiety first
- •Many people develop a false self, which keeps them from loving and working authentically
- •There is no upper age limit; his oldest patient was 86
Starting Out After Diagnosis: Never Worry Alone and Medication
Asked for advice for someone diagnosed later in life, Ned offers his first rule: never worry alone. He recommends education, a trainer-like companion, coaching and a trial of medication, comparing delaying medication to squinting before getting eyeglasses. He says the right medication mainly improves focus and relieves low-grade panic.
- •Begin with education, and do the unwrapping with someone who understands
- •Ned recommends his books ADHD 2.0 and ADHD Explained
- •Everyone deserves a trial of medication; if you dislike it, you stop and it is gone
- •Medication makes other interventions easier, and focus improves everything except sleep
- •Undiagnosed adults live in low-grade fear of embarrassing themselves
How Much We Don't Know About the Brain
Asked how much remains unknown about ADHD, Ned says the brain is vast uncharted territory and stresses humility and curiosity. He tells the story of the Nobel-winning discovery of the polymerase chain reaction while staring at a sunset, and argues that fear is what blocks creativity and learning.
- •Neurotransmitters are talked about as if understood, but we don't know what they are doing
- •Humility and "I don't know, but let's try and learn" are healthy
- •The PCR discoverer, who Ned says had flaming ADD, had his insight while watching a sunset
- •We can only set the table for discoveries by creating conditions that favor them
- •Emotion is the on/off switch for creativity and learning, and fear shuts it off
Poor Self-Observers, Fear and Connection Versus Addiction
Ned says people with ADHD tend to sell themselves short and are poor self-observers, and that stubbornness, especially in men, blocks needed feedback. The talk moves to why addiction is more common in ADHD, and to connection as a way out of addiction and despair.
- •People with ADD typically undervalue themselves after years of being told they are substandard
- •His daughter's advice: don't hold back on life out of fear
- •Addiction is more common in ADHD because pleasure is set lower and they pump up intensity
- •Adaptive ways to raise intensity include creative outlets, intimate relationships and exercise
- •Despair is a solitary experience, and connection protects against it
Severity, Belief in Yourself and Staying in the Game
Asked about moderate to severe traits, Ned resists ranking ADHD and says severe simply means brakes not yet built. He argues belief becomes self-fulfilling, tells the story of writing a novel in 12th grade one page at a time, and urges being a dream maker rather than a dream breaker.
- •Ned doesn't like ranking ADHD; severe means the person hasn't learned to build brakes
- •Believing you can or can't do something raises the likelihood of each outcome
- •Confidence and courage are found through connection
- •His English teacher's challenge to write a novel one page at a time led to a prize
- •Success is staying in the game, whether you win or lose
Gender Differences, Meaning and Disclosing a Diagnosis
Ned says men tend to stay strong and silent while women show vulnerability but carry shame about disorganization. He reflects on making meaning in life through connection and trust in invisible forces. Asked about the fear that everyone thinks everyone has ADHD, he advises not disclosing the label until you know the person will respond well.
- •Women's adult experience of ADD is about shame, such as not being Martha Stewart
- •The aim is to be organized enough that disorganization doesn't block your goals
- •Ned finds meaning in connection, and in what he calls invisible forces or God
- •Don't disclose the label at work unless the person knows better; name your strengths and weaknesses instead
- •Many with ADHD feel disempowered, and Ned aims to meet them where they are but not leave them there
Evolution, Opposites and the Upside of Distraction
Ned cites Thom Hartmann's hunter-in-a-farmer's-world idea as one possible evolutionary explanation for ADHD. He describes ADHD as a syndrome of opposites, where every negative has a positive, and says getting distracted can be a saving grace and the source of discoveries.
- •The hunter-in-a-farmer's-world theory is that ADD traits once offered an evolutionary advantage
- •Whether or not it is true, the question is what to do with the condition
- •The syndrome has two sides, such as distractibility and hyperfocus
- •Impulsive acts are called creative when useful and impulsive when obnoxious
- •Distraction in a boring situation can lead to great discoveries
The Lamborghini Metaphor: Strengthening Your Brakes
Explaining his ADHD item, Ned says ADD is like a sexy sports car with marginal brakes, and failing brakes are where trouble starts. He offers a shame-free way to talk to children about this and lists ways to strengthen the brakes, citing research that untreated ADD costs years of life.
- •The sports car stands for risk-taking and speed, but with marginal brakes
- •Saying "your brakes are failing you" avoids shame for children and adults
- •Brakes are strengthened through sleep, exercise, diet, meditation or prayer, connection, medication and cerebellar stimulation
- •Ned cites Russ Barkley's finding that untreated ADD costs about 13 years of life
- •Social isolation is also described as more dangerous than smoking
The Default Mode Network and Handling Intrusive Thoughts
Asked about overthinking, Ned explains the task positive network and the default mode network, which he calls the demon because it spews negative thoughts in people with ADD. He explains why they stay stuck, and recommends changing the subject with stimulating activities, including advice for partners and for sleepless nights.
- •The default mode network takes over when a task ends and floods ADD brains with negativity
- •People with ADD stay in it because pain is stimulating and attention is its fuel
- •Break it with pre-planned stimulating activities such as music, exercise, conversation or creative work
- •Partners can explain it's not truth and suggest doing something fun together
- •In bed, change your physical state by getting up and moving rather than lying there passively
The Washing Machine of Woes and RSD
In the agony aunt segment, a listener asks how to convince a wife who takes the suggestion of ADHD as an insult. Ned recommends meeting her where she is, validating her fears and offering the truth. They then discuss RSD, its possible evolutionary upside, and the need for strategies rather than just hope.
- •Alex introduces the segment with the washing machine as his ADHD item
- •Ned advises validating the spouse's feelings, then presenting facts inch by inch
- •Many adults come to see him because a spouse is at wit's end
- •RSD's sensitivity can help detect danger but makes people perceive danger where there is none
- •Hope is not a strategy; you need strategies to implement it
ADHD Managed Wrongly and Correctly, and Forgiveness
Ned says wrongly managed ADHD looks like addiction, self-hatred and the prison population, and that exhortation fades while tools endure. Managed well, it brings creative success and love. He extends this into a long discussion of judgment, revenge and forgiveness, arguing pain should turn into growth.
- •Mismanaged ADHD is rooted in ignorance and lost hope, which leads to addiction and self-neglect
- •Motivational exhortations fade within days, whereas tools like never worry alone and understanding the DMN last
- •Properly managed ADHD looks like creativity, joy and successful love
- •A judgmental moral approach causes shame, and Ned wrote a book on forgiveness
- •Ned argues pain should turn into growth rather than revenge
Undiagnosed ADHD in Relationships
Ned calls undiagnosed ADHD the biggest love killer, and says diagnosis often saves relationships. He explains that ADHD is an explanation, not an excuse, and gives practical approaches such as delegation, fair division of labor and creative reminders.
- •Undiagnosed ADD can turn love into indifference or hatred, but this is preventable
- •Ned asks couples to see him together before separating, and often finds undiagnosed ADD
- •ADD is an explanation, not an excuse, and the person must take responsibility
- •Delegation is a great tool, such as hiring someone to handle taxes
- •Forgetting stems from a memory lapse for unstimulating tasks, so find seductive inducements rather than punishments
Harnessing ADHD and Finding What Matters
Using the Niagara Falls analogy, Ned says ADHD power needs a hydroelectric plant: a mission you believe in and someone to work with. He suggests big questions to discover what matters and warns that people with ADHD tend to be good at beginnings and endings but not the middle.
- •Niagara Falls is a metaphor for power that needs to be captured
- •Combine a meaningful mission with difficulty and a partner
- •Ask what you would least like to lose and what your most cherished hope is
- •Ask what you would change in the world and what gift you could give
- •Finding someone to share enthusiasm helps with the boring middle of projects
Previous Guest's Letter and Behind-the-Scenes Chat
Ned reads the previous guest's three rules to live by, and the interview closes with thanks. In bonus clips he shares his most impulsive act, quitting drinking three years ago, plus his thousands of unread emails, impulsive shopping, and stories about his children.
- •The previous guest's rules were to be yourself, strive for independence and give no fucks
- •Ned says his most impulsive act was suddenly quitting drinking three years ago
- •He has thousands of unread emails and forgets reusable bags
- •He is generous and a shopaholic, and wants to make people happy
- •He ends by saying we hold back on life out of fear

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