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E147: TED goes woke, Canada's Nazi blunder, AI adds vision, plus: who owns OpenAI?

(0:00) Bestie intros with Coleman Hughes (1:12) Coleman's experience with TED, Understanding TED's ideological shift (15:11) Focusing on class instead of race when enacting policies, reaction to Coleman's talk, institutional takeovers (44:01) "When Virtue Signalling Goes Wrong": Canadian parliament cheers for a Nazi (1:04:21) OpenAI's big week, informed speculation on Sam Altman's actual ownership of OpenAI (1:12:39) The next evolution of AI: multimodal and consumer hardware Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://linktr.ee/calacanis https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow Coleman: https://twitter.com/coldxman @ColemanHughesOfficial Follow the pod: https://twitter.com/theallinpod https://linktr.ee/allinpodcast Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxB3b7fxMEA https://www.thefp.com/p/coleman-hughes-is-ted-scared-of-color-blindness https://twitter.com/waitbutwhy/status/1691502563571408896 https://twitter.com/chamath/status/1707051830667338170 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.html https://www.amazon.com/White-Fragility-People-About-Racism/dp/0807047414 https://twitter.com/TEDchris/status/1706792437098676224 https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224919 https://www.amazon.com/Losing-Ground-American-Social-1950-1980/dp/0465065880 https://www.amazon.com/Black-Power-Liberation-Kwame-Ture/dp/0679743138 https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-refuses-block-venture-capital-funds-grants-black-women-2023-09-26 https://apnews.com/article/canada-house-speaker-nazi-invite-ukraine-zelenskyy-d4ca05841193409e455cee3b19fcee6b https://www.reddit.com/r/QuotesPorn/comments/lz5o6z/he_who_controls_the_past_controls_the_future_he https://jacobin.com/2015/09/stepan-bandera-nationalist-euromaidan-right-sector https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-738940 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Party_of_Ukraine https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html https://www.ft.com/content/4c64ffc1-f57b-4e22-a4a5-f9f90a7419b7 https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openai-seeks-new-valuation-of-up-to-90-billion-in-sale-of-existing-shares-ed6229e0 https://www.axios.com/2023/09/25/testing-chatgpt-support-images-voice-search https://twitter.com/petergyang/status/1707169696049668472 https://blog.google/products/bard/google-bard-new-features-update-sept-2023 https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1707437820045062561 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2307.07162.pdf https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6849786 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709 https://reflect.app https://oldcomputers.net/sony-magic-link.html #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostColeman HughesguestChamath PalihapitiyahostDavid Friedberghost
Sep 28, 20231h 28mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

All-In crew blasts TED’s ‘wokeness’, Canada’s Nazi gaffe, AI future

  1. The episode centers on Coleman Hughes’ controversial TED talk advocating colorblindness, detailing how TED staff tried to suppress and condition its release, which the hosts frame as an example of institutional capture and the decline of open discourse. The discussion broadens into how organizations like TED and major corporations are being driven by internal activist employees, and whether such institutions can be reformed. They then dissect Canada’s embarrassing parliamentary ovation for a former Nazi, tying it to incompetence, performative politics, and Western entanglement with far‑right elements in Ukraine.
  2. The conversation shifts to OpenAI’s structure, Sam Altman’s incentives, and the possibility that its nonprofit/“capped return” setup allows long‑term control and value capture while deflecting public backlash. Finally, they explore rapid advances in AI—especially multimodal models and agent-like operating systems—and predict a wholesale rewrite of human‑computer interaction, including AI-driven phone interfaces and ambient assistants.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Institutions can be quietly ‘captured’ from the bottom up by activist staff.

TED’s handling of Hughes’ talk shows how a small but vocal internal group can override an organization’s stated mission (ideas worth spreading), pressuring leadership to censor or condition content that merely offends, rather than rebutting it with argument.

Colorblindness still resonates widely, including among many people of color.

Despite being unfashionable in progressive circles, Hughes reports strong positive feedback from Black and immigrant attendees; the hosts argue that treating race as primary identity often inflames tensions and undermines individual merit and shared humanity.

Leaders who won’t enforce core values enable ideological drift.

Chris Anderson is portrayed as intellectually aware of free‑speech principles but unwilling to confront staff, illustrating how leaders can preside over mission drift when they prioritize internal comfort over institutional purpose.

Surface-level ‘anti-fascist’ signaling can coexist with dangerous sloppiness.

Canada’s Nazi ovation is framed as not just a vetting failure but the byproduct of a political culture obsessed with the “current thing” (supporting Ukraine) to the point of ignoring obvious historical context about who fought Russia in WWII.

OpenAI’s capped-return and nonprofit structure likely masks long-term control.

Sacks argues that investors and employees are capped at finite multiples, implying any trillion‑dollar upside reverts to the controlling nonprofit—giving Altman effective long‑run control and value capture while allowing him to say he owns no equity.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Color blindness is the idea that you want to treat people without regard to race, both in your personal lives and in our public policy.

Coleman Hughes

As soon as you concede that there can be some sort of physical harm from engaging with ideas, you give the equivalent of a heckler’s veto… it’s almost like a crybaby’s veto.

David Sacks

TED used to be a place for discourse, and it’s lost that, as have so many other forums for conversation in the society and country today.

David Friedberg

If I had had your talk when I was 20 years old, I could have done so much more… I would have spared myself a lot of self-sabotage.

Chamath Palihapitiya

We assume that if something is offensive by some group, it needs to be suppressed, and obviously as you extend that concept to its extreme, you end up losing many ideas that challenge the current kind of main concept that everyone believes.

David Friedberg

Coleman Hughes’ TED talk on colorblindness and TED’s internal backlashInstitutional capture, ‘wokeness’, and the erosion of open discourse at TED and beyondCanada’s Nazi ovation scandal, Trudeau’s leadership, and Ukraine’s far-right historyOpenAI’s ownership structure, capped-return financing, and Sam Altman’s incentivesThe future of AI: multimodal models, agentic OS concepts, and new phone interfacesLeadership failures and constraints in corporations, media, and political partiesBroader questions about race, welfare policy, and class versus race‑based remedies

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