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E158: Global trade disrupted, Adobe/Figma canceled, realtors sued, Trump blocked

(0:00) Bestie intros: Jason comes in hot, All-In's new Chairman Dictator, Holiday party recap, and more (7:54) Understanding the trade disruption in the Red Sea: Houthis, global impact on trade, the dicey geopolitical situation, and how this compares to COVID freight prices with Flexport's Ryan Petersen (35:55) Major M&A deals called off, downstream impacts of a hawkish regulatory environment (54:15) The new era of startup building: less capital raised, less overhead costs, more profitable, smaller exits with higher founder/employee ownership percentages (1:17:01) Bombshell class action lawsuits against the NAR and other real estate brokerages, how this could change residential real estate in the US (1:31:58) Colorado bans Trump from primary ballots Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://twitter.com/Jason https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow Ryan: https://twitter.com/typesfast Follow the pod: https://twitter.com/theallinpod https://linktr.ee/allinpodcast Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.flexport.com https://www.wionews.com/world/wont-stop-fighting-netanyahu-rules-out-ceasefire-until-hamas-elimination-671867 https://www.figma.com/blog/figma-adobe-abandon-proposed-merger https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/illumina-divest-cancer-test-maker-grail-2023-12-17 https://www.google.com/finance/quote/ADBE:NASDAQ https://www.saasgrid.com https://www.housingwire.com/articles/missouri-jury-finds-nar-brokerages-guilty-of-conspiring-to-inflate-commissions https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/real-estate-buying-home-charts-6dc40caa https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/real-estate-commissions-could-be-the-next-fee-on-the-chopping-block/ar-AA1irqIV https://www.redfin.com/guides/how-to-sell-your-home-without-an-agent-fsbo https://apnews.com/article/trump-insurrection-14th-amendment-2024-colorado-d16dd8f354eeaf450558378c65fd79a2 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/02/us/politics/merrick-garland-biden-trump.html https://cafe.com/cafe-insider-feed https://www.lawfaremedia.org/podcasts-multimedia/podcast/the-lawfare-podcast #allin #tech #news

Chamath PalihapitiyahostJason CalacanishostDavid FriedberghostRyan Petersenguest
Dec 22, 20231h 47mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Global trade shocks, blocked exits, realtor reckoning, and Trump ban

  1. The episode ranges from joking internal power dynamics at the All-In Podcast to serious analysis of global geopolitics, venture markets, real estate commissions, and U.S. politics.
  2. Flexport founder Ryan Petersen explains how Houthi attacks in the Red Sea are disrupting a critical global shipping chokepoint, potentially re-igniting inflation and exposing supply-chain fragility and asymmetric warfare.
  3. The besties then dissect the collapse of major M&A deals (Adobe–Figma, Illumina–Grail, Cigna–Humana), arguing that antitrust activism and weak IPO infrastructure are reshaping venture, pushing founders toward profitability, smaller funds, and less reliance on exits.
  4. They close by examining class-action lawsuits threatening the traditional 6% U.S. real estate commission model and the Colorado Supreme Court’s attempt to disqualify Trump from the ballot, which they argue is anti-democratic and likely to backfire politically.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Red Sea disruptions create a real but uneven inflation risk, especially for Europe.

With about 30% of container traffic and significant oil and LNG volumes rerouted around Africa, capacity drops ~20–25% on Asia–Europe routes, causing a 3x jump in freight rates there, while U.S. impact is milder but still non-trivial.

Modern supply chains and security architectures are highly vulnerable to low-cost asymmetric attacks.

Cheap drones and missiles can force ships off key routes, spike insurance, and shut down tens of millions in trade, while defenders spend orders of magnitude more per interception—mirroring dynamics seen in Ukraine and other conflicts.

Regulatory hostility to large M&A is shrinking the acquisition path and pushing startups toward IPOs and profitability.

Deals like Adobe–Figma and Illumina–Grail show that even high-quality, high-price exits are now uncertain after 15+ month reviews, chilling big-ticket M&A and making IPOs and durable, cash-generative businesses the main viable liquidity route.

Founders are recalibrating around capital efficiency, lower burn, and owning more of their companies.

With higher interest rates and AI tools lowering build costs, teams are smaller, more global, and designed to reach breakeven on $0.5–1.5M, while many now prefer a $50–100M outcome they mostly own to a billion-dollar exit with heavy dilution.

AI may be more disruptive to venture capital than to incumbents in the short term.

As AI multiplies individual productivity (especially for developers and go-to-market teams), the breakeven scale of a startup falls, reducing the need for large funds and pushing VC economics back toward smaller, focused vehicles and fewer mega-funds.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

It takes 100 years to develop a civilization and an afternoon to go back to barbarisms.

Ryan Petersen

There is no viable M&A path for early stage venture capital businesses… the overwhelming path to get liquid is IPO.

Chamath Palihapitiya

AI may be the biggest disruptor to VC in the end.

Chamath Palihapitiya

Democracy now means the right of the people to vote for candidates approved by liberal judges.

David Sacks

If you don’t have to raise venture capital, you’re better off.

David Friedberg

Houthi attacks in the Red Sea and impacts on global trade, shipping, and inflationFragility and asymmetry in modern supply chains and warfareFailure of major M&A deals (Adobe–Figma, Illumina–Grail, Cigna–Humana) and implications for venture exitsShift from growth-at-all-costs to profitability, capital efficiency, and smaller/founder-friendly VC structuresAI’s deflationary impact on startup costs, staffing, and the venture capital modelReal estate commissions, NAR lawsuits, MLS control, and potential disruption of the 6% brokerage modelColorado Supreme Court’s Trump ballot disqualification under the 14th Amendment and its political/legal ramifications

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