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E56: Constitution DAO, Rittenhouse trial coverage, private sector efficiency vs the government

0:00 Bestie intro 1:14 Constitution DAO: implications, shortcomings, how to move forward? 29:58 Rittenhouse trial media coverage 50:52 Ken Griffin plays heel (again), private sector efficiency vs. government inefficiency 1:07:08 Pete Davidson's pull, Sacks' taste in music, wrap Follow the besties: https://twitter.com/chamath https://linktr.ee/calacanis https://twitter.com/DavidSacks https://twitter.com/friedberg Follow the pod: https://twitter.com/theallinpod https://linktr.ee/allinpodcast Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://twitter.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://twitter.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/constitutiondao-crypto-investors-lose-bid-to-buy-constitution-copy.html https://twitter.com/constitutiondao https://www.constitutiondao.com https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/11/19/constitutiondao-outbid-for-first-printing-of-americas-founding-document-in-sothebys-auction/ https://youtu.be/1TBa-9Lx3vc?t=8762 https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-closing-arguments-self-defense/ https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/19/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1461372314424164367 https://www.wsj.com/articles/citadel-ceo-ken-griffin-outbid-a-group-of-crypto-investors-for-copy-of-u-s-constitution-11637352087 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/17/us/politics/biden-build-back-better-act.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/17/amazon-to-stop-accepting-visa-credit-cards-issued-in-the-uk.html https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1461007806333693959 https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/05/sam-altman-puts-375-million-into-fusion-start-up-helion-energy.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/17/bill-gates-terrapower-builds-its-first-nuclear-reactor-in-a-coal-town.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHZ4MfOiqm8 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/emily-ratajkowski-women-find-pete-davidson-attractive_n_618be849e4b06de3eb7dfbbe #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostDavid FriedberghostChamath PalihapitiyahostGuestguest
Nov 19, 20211h 15mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Crypto DAOs, Rittenhouse verdict, and why government spending inflates costs

  1. This episode centers on ConstitutionDAO’s failed bid to buy a rare U.S. Constitution copy, using it as a springboard to debate DAOs, securities law, crowdfunding, and retail investor access to private deals.
  2. The hosts then dissect media coverage and political narratives around the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, contrasting facts revealed in court with initial reporting and exploring how legacy and social media drive polarization.
  3. They broaden the discussion to private vs. public sector efficiency, using examples like NASA vs. SpaceX, nuclear power, and government budgeting, arguing that open-ended public spending often inflates prices and misallocates capital.
  4. The show closes with lighter banter on pop culture, parenting, and music, but the core through-lines are capital formation, regulatory friction, media trust, and the comparative effectiveness of markets versus government.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

DAOs can form capital incredibly fast, but current implementations are structurally immature.

ConstitutionDAO raised ~$46M from ~20,000 people in days, yet suffered huge gas fees, poor auction strategy (public max bid), unclear ownership terms, and no good way for small contributors to exit, revealing real design flaws.

If DAO tokens represent ownership or profit claims, they will likely be regulated as securities.

The hosts note that governance-by-code does not exempt a DAO from securities law; once tokens convey economic rights, U.S. regulators will almost certainly treat them like traditional securities, pushing much innovation offshore first.

Retail investors are structurally locked out of the best private deals by current rules.

JCal argues that accreditation and crowdfunding regulations are so onerous that top startups avoid equity crowdfunding, leaving high-upside early-stage investments to already-wealthy insiders while non-accredited investors are limited to worse options.

Media misframing of high-profile cases amplifies polarization and racial tension.

On Rittenhouse, the hosts argue coverage frequently misstated key facts (e.g., race of those shot, crossing state lines with the rifle) and framed it as a white-supremacy episode, priming public outrage and overshadowing other cases like Ahmaud Arbery and Breonna Taylor.

Government transparency and fixed budgets often drive cost inflation rather than efficiency.

Friedberg contends that when governments publish how much they will spend (e.g., on education, healthcare, defense), suppliers price up to that ceiling, while layered procurement and contractor markups further bloat costs compared to competitive private markets.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

These DAOs are absolutely game-changing. The ability to have $47 million show up and be prepared to be deployed in 48 hours is game-changing.

Jason Calacanis

You’re painting the optimistic scenario of what these things could do. And you are correct. But what’s always happened in the history of humanity is these scenarios have resolved to people figuring out ways to scam other people to make money.

David Friedberg

This case should never have been brought, and then the media fuels this thing. The story really is about the media constructing this narrative that fell apart so quickly as soon as all the facts came out.

David Sacks

The only fractionalized asset that has ever been proven to appreciate reliably are stocks. Every other fractionalized asset where you take something and divvy it up generally has been a trash burger.

Chamath Palihapitiya

What we need is next-gen infrastructure… things that the free market cannot afford to fund and stand up, like next-gen nuclear power stations and biomanufacturing. The things where the government is the only customer, the cost will only go up over time.

David Friedberg

ConstitutionDAO: mechanics, gas fees, governance flaws, and regulatory riskRetail investor access, crowdfunding rules, and accredited investor barriersKyle Rittenhouse trial: self-defense, media narrative, and racial framingCollapse of media credibility and rise of alternative/independent mediaPrivate sector vs. government: capital allocation, NASA vs. SpaceX, nuclearGovernment budgeting, transparency, and why federal spending inflates pricesFuture of DAOs and potential carve-outs or regulatory frameworks

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