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Mark Cuban: Love/Hate Relationship with Trump, Why He's Backing Kamala Harris

(0:00) The Besties intro Mark Cuban: Voting record, working with Ross Perot's campaign in 1992 (5:43) The history of Cuban's love/hate relationship with Trump (19:08) Trump's performance as President: what he got right and wrong (40:46) Party nominations: Kamala vs. Trump (49:18) Biden's performance as President: what he got right and wrong (55:45) Should Kamala share blame for Biden's failures? (1:07:01) International conflict, national debt, crypto regulation (1:21:33) General sense of Kamala Harris, why she's been avoiding adversarial interviews, why Sacks supports Trump (1:31:47) Selling a majority of his Mavericks stake, changing business landscape of the NBA, what he's working on at Cost Plus Drugs (1:44:50) Thoughts on AI, what's next for him (1:51:37) Relationship with Elon, re-evaluating the Twitter deal, OpenAI's new fundraise Follow Mark: https://x.com/mcuban Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEBTN https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/wait-are-windowless-bedrooms-going-to-be-a-thing https://washingtonreporter.news/editorial/scoop-kamala-harris-likely-to-nominate-gary-gensler-as-treasury-secretary-if-elected-senate-sources #allin #tech #news

Jason CalacanishostMark CubanguestChamath PalihapitiyahostDavid FriedberghostHosthostGuestguest
Oct 2, 20242h 6mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Mark Cuban Explains Backing Kamala, Blasts Trump, Rethinks AI And X

  1. Mark Cuban joins the All-In Podcast to unpack his two‑decade relationship with Donald Trump, why he believes Trump shouldn’t be president again, and why he’s now backing Kamala Harris despite remaining a political independent.
  2. He gives detailed critiques of Trump’s record on foreign policy, energy, and the national mood, and he grades the Biden–Harris administration on the border, spending, and regulatory policy while arguing Kamala shouldn’t be held fully responsible for Biden’s decisions.
  3. Cuban also discusses existential issues like inflation, national debt, immigration, Ukraine and Israel, as well as domestic fights over crypto regulation, AI competition, and what real healthcare cost transparency would look like.
  4. In the back half, he talks about selling most of the Mavericks, his Cost Plus Drugs mission, his views on AI business models, his adversarial-but-respectful relationship with Elon Musk, and why he’ll never run for president.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Cuban Supports Kamala Harris As A Defensive Vote Against Trump, Not As A Partisan Democrat

Cuban emphasizes he’s a lifelong independent who’s voted for both Republicans and Democrats, and says he would likely vote Republican if a non‑MAGA candidate were running. He frames his support for Kamala Harris as a relative choice: he believes Trump is unfit to be president again, particularly due to temperament, unwillingness to learn policy, and the way he destabilizes the country’s ‘vibe’ and institutions. For Cuban, this cycle is primarily about blocking Trump rather than endorsing a party.

He Argues Trump’s Energy And Yemen Decisions Quietly Fed Into Today’s Inflation

Cuban lays out a specific (and controversial) causal chain: Trump’s 2019 decision to continue arms sales to Saudi Arabia in Yemen, then his 2020 deal brokering OPEC+ production cuts with MBS and Putin at the onset of COVID, substantially raised global oil prices as demand recovered while supply stayed constrained for two years. He insists this policy choice added non‑trivial upward pressure on gas prices, cascading into broader inflation, even while agreeing with Friedberg that money‑printing, fiscal stimulus, and supply chain shocks were also major drivers.

He Separates Biden’s Policy Failures From Kamala’s Role As ‘Employee’

Cuban is blunt that the Biden administration badly mishandled the border initially and overspent in ways that contributed to inflation, and he concedes Biden’s cognitive slowdown is real in terms of reaction speed and debate performance. However, he resists assigning Kamala equal blame, arguing a vice president is fundamentally an employee who executes the president’s agenda, much like JD Vance will for Trump. He judges Kamala more on her current repositioning, her stated willingness to work with Republicans and independents, and her shift toward the political middle.

Border, Immigration, And ‘Election‑Year Conversions’ Are Central Fault Lines

The group clashes over whether Kamala’s rhetoric on ICE and the wall, and her ‘border czar’ role, make her complicit in the border crisis. Cuban concedes the administration ‘opened the door too wide’ and created a cascading problem, but notes Biden later tightened asylum rules and worked with Mexico to reduce flows, bringing encounters back near pre‑pandemic Trump levels. Sacks counters that Kamala previously called the wall ‘un‑American,’ compared ICE to the KKK, and defended lax policies for years, arguing her newfound toughness is a poll‑driven pivot that hasn’t been rigorously challenged by the media.

National Debt And Fiscal Discipline Loom As The Unspoken Bi‑Partisan Crisis

Friedberg walks through the arithmetic: federal debt is ~35–36 trillion and rising, with about $10 trillion rolling over at higher rates and interest costs potentially hitting ~$1.6 trillion annually if debt approaches $40 trillion at ~4%. Cuban agrees both parties have been ‘wild spenders’ and says Harris’s team is aware that tax hikes alone can’t fix the gap due to diminishing returns. His emphasis in private conversations with them is on using AI and technology to increase government efficiency, lower healthcare and drug costs, and contain interest costs by getting inflation and rates down.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I’m not a Democrat, I’m not a Republican, I’m an Independent through and through… If it wasn’t Donald Trump running, I’d probably vote Republican.

Mark Cuban

He’s one of the world’s best schmoozers… but he doesn’t make any effort to learn anything. That’s why I don’t want Donald Trump to be president.

Mark Cuban (on Trump)

Trump didn’t start any new wars? In Yemen we had a chance to get out, and he chose to keep selling weapons to the Saudis. A lot of people died because of that decision.

Mark Cuban

Parties don’t exist anymore. The Republican Party is Trump’s family business. Kamala has learned from him — she knows she has to take over her party too.

Mark Cuban

When I’m gone I want people to say: ‘He did it. It used to be expensive to get sick. It ain’t expensive no more.’ That’s what Cost Plus Drugs is about.

Mark Cuban

Mark Cuban’s political evolution and voting recordCuban’s long, complicated personal and professional history with Donald TrumpAssessment of Trump’s and Biden–Harris’s presidencies (policy, wars, inflation, border)Kamala Harris’s candidacy, record, and repositioning toward the political centerImmigration, border policy, and partisan narratives around ‘border czar’ responsibilitiesNational debt, fiscal policy, inflation drivers, and economic tradeoffsCrypto regulation, Gary Gensler, Elizabeth Warren, and common‑sense rulesCuban’s sale of Mavericks stake and his Cost Plus Drugs healthcare missionAI business models, OpenAI vs. big tech, and the future of workCuban’s relationship with Elon Musk, X/Twitter, and free speech vs. advertisers

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