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BigDeal by Codie Sanchez

The Easiest Way To Win Online

My new book Own Or Be Owned is out now! I wrote Own or Be Owned to answer one question: How do you make more money, less miserably?

Codie Sanchezhost

Jul 28, 202526mWatch on YouTube

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Why Attention Is the Real Currency
Codie Sanchez argues that obsessing over growing online can earn more than traditional routes. She cites venture capital spending on distribution and the Kevin Kelly 'thousand true fans' idea, and says brand is what separates attention from none.
- •Forty cents of every venture dollar goes to distribution, which she equates with attention
- •Her parents doubted her move into online content despite her Georgetown, Goldman Sachs and private equity background
- •Simple tactics matter more than fancy pricing or go-to-market talk
- •A thousand true fans can mean at least $100,000 a year, per Kevin Kelly's essay
- •Her brand grew from zero to 10 million followers and feeds her fund, holding company, education and events businesses
2:47 – 3:47
From Attention to Intention
Codie distinguishes attention from intention, using Drake versus Rihanna, Hailey Bieber and the Kardashians as examples. She says intention comes from building community rather than just posting content.
- •Attention is top of funnel and intention means purchasing
- •Rihanna's Fenty and Hailey Bieber's Rhode are examples of applying intention to attention
- •Community members like Renan, Sean and Chris become evangelists through their own content
- •People pay when they see you understand what they want
- •She prefers attracting people over networking
Find a Big Problem and Your Expertise
The first step in building a community is finding a problem so big it's almost scary. Codie uses her critique of the education system and a landscaping example, then says you should either be the expert or document your learning.
- •Her big problem is the traditional education system and its cost
- •Teaching people to buy and build businesses live is her alternative
- •Many creators talk about trends rather than real expertise
- •You either have done it or you document the process
Niche Down with the Where's Waldo Strategy
Codie says to go as niche as possible, noting that Amazon started as a bookstore. She moves from business to small business owners to laundromat owners, and uses Where's Waldo to illustrate being specific, small and select.
- •A big niche is bad because you can't be expert enough in it
- •Narrowing from business to laundromat owners is her example
- •The internet has a community for even very specific interests
- •Niche focus gives deeper expertise and true fans
- •Waldo is easy to find because he is specific, small and select
The Problem-to-Product Loop
Codie explains how to turn problems in your niche into products, starting with content like videos, lead magnets, calculators and community threads. A feedback loop of content experiments, measurement and analysis leads to better products.
- •See problems as opportunities rather than obstacles
- •Examples include a letter of intent video, a seller script and a deal calculator
- •Content experiments give a baseline to measure what works
- •Community feedback helps create better products than competitors'
BizScout: A Product Born from Community Feedback
Codie shares how BizScout started when people said they couldn't find businesses to buy and the existing sites were bad. It now has 71,000 listings and is described as the Zillow for small business acquisition.
- •BizScout has 71,000 business listings
- •It is likened to Zillow for small business acquisition
- •It began with a question from her audience and a piece of content
- •25,000 buyer and seller connections have been made
- •Internal resources like SOPs can also be treated as content
12:43 – 13:59
The Marketing Infinity Loop
Codie lays out the Marketing Infinity Loop, moving from awareness through consideration, purchase and advocacy to loyalty. Following it turns a content business into a paid ad machine and builds an unfair advantage.
- •Free content feeds paid products, which in turn become marketing
- •Stages: awareness, consideration, purchase, advocacy, loyalty
- •Advocates write reviews and testimonials; loyal customers subscribe, refer and keep buying
- •Her recipe: start small, find a niche, build and market products from content, iterate on feedback
Building Systems and Not Being Boring
To earn awareness you first need content systems: an operating system, a team system and an overview system. Then the next rule is not to be boring, since apathy is the reaction you want least.
- •Three systems: operating, team and overview
- •Content nobody sees can't sell anything
- •Companies need more chances for people to fall in love with them
- •Generic newsletters like flash sale emails are boring
The CD Baby Email Example
Codie reads Derek Sivers' absurd thank-you email from CD Baby as an example of memorable, shareable content. She notes it was widely shared and then copied, and asks what your version would be today.
- •Derek Sivers ran CD Baby, which sold CDs
- •The email described an elaborate, ridiculous shipping celebration
- •It was shared tens of millions of times
- •It was unique in its day, though now overplayed
The Subject Line Bet
Codie explains that a subject line is the face card of a newsletter. She bet her team $1,000 she could beat their subject line for a tree trimming story, A/B tested them, and her playful line won on clicks and responses.
- •Contrarian Thinking is her newsletter about making money with businesses
- •She felt the subject lines weren't getting enough clicks
- •The team's best line was 'Proof that money grows on trees'
- •Her unexpected line got the most clicks and strong replies
Newsletter Design Examples
Codie contrasts boring corporate newsletter design with examples she likes, including Published Press, Scott Galloway's email and her own Contrarian. She praises clean, short, bulleted layouts that show rather than tell.
- •Corporate designs lead without value and feel wasteful
- •Published Press is crisp, clean, short and bulleted
- •Scott Galloway's email shows right away what you'll get
- •Contrarian opens with a quote and hand-drawn images
- •She admits some of her own subject lines could be better
Go Freud on 'Em: Psychology and Calls to Action
Codie says content speaks to human psychology and that understanding it changes actions. She argues generic calls to action like 'Subscribe now' have become noise, while offering something specific in exchange for an email works better.
- •Humans are weird, and psychology can change actions
- •Phrases like 'Subscribe now' and 'Join now' have become noise
- •Better CTAs offer a free specific item, such as a list of 150 Y
- •A CTA works as an exchange of value for an email
Who Not How: Scaling with the Right Team
For people ready to scale, Codie says it's always a who, not a how. She points to number twos behind top names like The Rock, Kim Kardashian and MrBeast, and says you can hire a content expert if you aren't one.
- •Examples include Dany Garcia, Kris Kardashian and MrBeast's original number two
- •Find your best who to grow on a platform
- •You're likely not a content expert, and she wasn't either
The Winning Formula and Closing Calls to Action
Codie closes with her formula, consistency plus creativity plus grit to intention, and offers the newsletter tech stack lead magnet. She then asks listeners to subscribe and leave reviews and promotes the SMB Boardroom.
- •Formula: consistency plus creativity plus grit to intention
- •A lead magnet shares her newsletter tech stack and favorite content tools
- •She asks listeners to subscribe to support the podcast
- •The SMB Boardroom is for owners heading to seven figures a year

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