The value of being weird #startups
In this episode of Dalton + Michael, The value of being weird #startups explores tech startups risk losing weird founders to consensus culture pressures As startups became a major money-making path, more conventional people entered the space, potentially crowding out nonconformists.
Tech startups risk losing weird founders to consensus culture pressures
As startups became a major money-making path, more conventional people entered the space, potentially crowding out nonconformists.
The speakers argue that many successful startup ideas initially seem “weird,” and the founders behind them are often quirky in productive ways.
Nonconformists tend to generate original ideas without needing permission, but society often discourages their unconventional thinking.
A key challenge for highly creative, “weird” builders is filtering and choosing which ideas deserve focus rather than generating ideas in the first place.
People and organizations optimized for consensus and calibration can struggle to produce truly unique ideas, even if they execute well within existing norms.
Key Takeaways
Treat “weird” as a positive signal for innovation.
They frame weirdness as correlated with novel ideas that can become successful businesses, even if they sound odd at first.
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An influx of capital can shift startup culture toward conformity.
When tech is seen primarily as a lucrative career, it attracts people who optimize for safety and social proof, which may reduce tolerance for unconventional builders.
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Nonconformists often don’t need external validation to create.
Michael notes quirky people “don’t usually need to ask permission,” which helps them explore contrarian ideas early—before consensus forms.
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The creative person’s bottleneck is prioritization, not ideation.
Because they generate many unusual ideas, their hardest task is filtering and committing to the few with real leverage.
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Consensus skill can come at the cost of originality.
People who are great at “calibrating and triangulating consensus” may execute within known patterns, but can struggle to originate genuinely new directions.
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Startup ecosystems should protect space for outsider thinking.
The conversation implies that to keep producing breakthrough companies, the ecosystem must remain welcoming to people whose ideas initially sound wrong or strange.
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Notable Quotes
“A lot of these ideas that worked seemed really weird, and a lot of the people, when you know them… are a little weird.”
— Dalton
“People that are non-conformist or otherwise quirky… they tend to do their own weird stuff, and they don't usually need to ask permission.”
— Michael
“Society tells them, ‘Hey… shut up.’”
— Michael
“Probably their bigger problem is filtering out, deciding which unique idea is worth their time…”
— Michael
“People… really good at calibrating and triangulating consensus… have the hardest time coming up with unique ideas.”
— Michael
Questions Answered in This Episode
What concrete signs tell you a founder’s “weirdness” is productive creativity versus unfocused contrarianism?
As startups became a major money-making path, more conventional people entered the space, potentially crowding out nonconformists.
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How has increased early-stage funding specifically changed what kinds of founders and ideas get rewarded?
The speakers argue that many successful startup ideas initially seem “weird,” and the founders behind them are often quirky in productive ways.
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What hiring or team practices help protect nonconformist idea generation inside a growing startup?
Nonconformists tend to generate original ideas without needing permission, but society often discourages their unconventional thinking.
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If the bottleneck is filtering ideas, what frameworks or rituals do you recommend for choosing which weird ideas to pursue?
A key challenge for highly creative, “weird” builders is filtering and choosing which ideas deserve focus rather than generating ideas in the first place.
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Do accelerators and VC pitch processes inherently select for consensus-friendly founders, and how could they be redesigned to welcome “weird” more?
People and organizations optimized for consensus and calibration can struggle to produce truly unique ideas, even if they execute well within existing norms.
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Transcript Preview
We do have this challenge that now that tech seems like such a money maker, and there's so much money invested in early-stage startups there are a lot of people who are not very weird, who are very attracted to this space. It's funny that I'm saying weird as like a positive, because I think in the normal context in America-
Yeah
... weird isn't seen as positive. But like a lot of these ideas that worked seemed really weird, and a lot of the people, when you know them-
Yeah
... are a little weird. So like how do you think about... You know, I sometimes wonder, is the tech startup wor- world as welcoming to weird people as it once was?
Yeah.
Well, how do you think about this?
I think it's a great point, and again, maybe this is just, you know, we're getting old or something.
Mm-hmm.
That's, that's an option.
Sure.
But people that are non-conformist or otherwise quirky in ways that you would describe as, uh, quirky is the nice way to say it. [laughs]
[laughs]
But like, like it, they, they tend to do their own weird stuff, and they don't usually need to ask permission. Like they, they constantly are generating strange ideas on their own.
Yes.
And if anything, society tells them, "Hey, like-
Ugh. [laughs]
... you know, like shut up."
[laughs] Yeah.
"Like we don't wanna hear-
Yeah
... all your dumb ideas-
[laughs]
... on how to make things work better."
Yeah, yeah.
Right? That's like-
Yes
... like the system grinds that out of you.
Yes.
Those people tend to do well with startups, because-
Yes
... they don't actually have any problems coming up with unique ideas.
Yes, yes.
Probably their bigger problem is filtering out, deciding which unique idea is worth their time-
Yes
... 'cause they're always coming up with ideas.
Yes.
Versus a lot of systems or consensus machines-
Yes
... and they t- and people that are really good at calibrating and triangulating consensus, those tend to be people that have the hardest time coming up with unique ideas.
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