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Calm App Founder: From $0 To $2 Billion By Making The World Meditate: Michael Acton Smith | E117

This weeks episode entitled 'Calm App Founder: From $0 To $2 Billion By Making The World Meditate: Michael Acton Smith' topics: 0:00 Intro 02:32 Your early years 07:04 Starting my first business - Firebox 26:11 My second business - Perplex City 36:22 My third business - Moshi monsters 43:50 The start of Calm 01:00:43 Calm helping people sleep 01:03:55 Misconceptions around sleep 01:06:54 Tough times for you this year 01:13:17 What changes are you now doing? 01:15:17 Your relationships 01:22:37 The foundations of good communication 01:25:48 How accurate is the 'hippie' stigma that comes with mindfulness? 01:27:27 Do you feel the good you've done in the world? 01:29:30 Psychedelics curing mental health 01:31:50 Our last guest question Micheal: https://www.instagram.com/michaelacton/ https://twitter.com/acton?lang=gu linkedin.com/in/michaelactonsmith/?originalSubdomain=uk Calm: https://www.calm.com/ Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsors: Huel - https://uk.huel.com/ Myenergi - https://bit.ly/3oeWGnl

Michael Acton SmithguestSteven Bartletthost
Jan 30, 20221h 34mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

From Playful Failures To Calm: Inside A $2 Billion Mindfulness Revolution

  1. Michael Acton Smith, co-founder of Calm and creator of Firebox and Moshi Monsters, traces a 25-year entrepreneurial journey defined by curiosity, big bets, and painful pivots. He describes early internet successes that turned into commercial failures, culminating in a near-collapse at Mind Candy that triggered chronic stress, burnout, and a personal mental health crisis.
  2. Those experiences led him to meditation, a solo reset trip, and eventually the founding of Calm—built on his own need to manage anxiety, sleepless nights, and identity loss when businesses faltered. Smith explains how he and co-founder Alex Tew spent years “paddling in freezing water” before society caught up with mindfulness and sleep as mainstream health priorities.
  3. He shares detailed lessons on validating ideas slowly, storytelling, business models, platform shifts, and the importance of treating sleep, nutrition, movement, and mental health as non‑negotiable foundations. The conversation closes with candid reflections on burnout, relationships, leadership, and why he believes solving the global mental health crisis is a first‑order problem for humanity.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Validate ideas slowly before scaling: do deep work before raising big money.

Smith argues most founders move too fast, raising capital and hiring before their idea is truly baked. His own process: spend months or years researching, reading, attending conferences, talking to people in the space, and “marinating” in an idea. That invisible groundwork reveals where the real opportunity and ‘alpha’ are. Only when an idea still wakes him up at 4 a.m. after that phase does he commit. This reduces the risk of being blown around “like a paper bag” once investors and staff are onboard.

Storytelling and human angles are core business levers, not decoration.

With Firebox’s shot‑glass chess, Smith learned that media and customers respond to human stories, not feature lists or margins. A DIY press campaign focused on “two broke ex‑students” and a quirky drinking game generated massive coverage and orders. He’s since applied that lens to every venture—when pitching investors, hiring, or doing PR—framing products through people’s struggles, transformations, and lived experiences rather than dry business facts.

A compelling product still needs a sound business model—and hype can hide that.

Perplex City was critically acclaimed, award‑winning, and highly creative—but commercially disastrous. They spent about $9 million and couldn’t make the economics of collectible puzzle cards cover the cost of running an elaborate alternate reality game. Smith’s key lesson: external praise and press are not proof of a viable business. Founders must understand unit economics and pathways to monetization early, even if profitability comes later, or risk building an unsustainable “genius” product.

Platform shifts can silently kill once‑successful businesses if you react too late.

Moshi Monsters rocketed to tens of millions of users and lucrative acquisition offers, then stalled abruptly when children migrated from desktop web games to mobile and tablets. Despite early warning signs in 2012, shifting a web‑based subscription world into a mobile, free‑to‑play app ecosystem proved extremely hard. Multiple rounds of layoffs followed. Smith highlights the importance of watching platform behavior, not just internal metrics, and being willing to cannibalize or radically rework products before the wave has fully passed.

Meditation strengthens the ‘response’ muscle and shifts brain activity from amygdala to prefrontal cortex.

Smith describes mindfulness as “upgrading your operating system.” Over time, practice reduces reactivity (amygdala‑driven fight/flight) and increases the ability to pause and respond from the prefrontal cortex, where planning and perspective live. Practically, this looks like inserting a beat between stimulus and action: not snapping back at a partner, not honking in traffic, not spiraling after bad news. He likens it to a “mental gym,” building attention and emotional regulation in a world saturated with distractions.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Solving the global mental health crisis, which is the mission of Calm, I think is one of the most important challenges in the world. It's a first order problem.

Michael Acton Smith

Go slow to go fast. Do the work upfront. Spend months, sometimes years, researching what it is that you're intrigued about.

Michael Acton Smith

Perplex City was probably one of the most creative things I've ever worked on… Unfortunately, it was one of the most commercially disastrous things I've worked on.

Michael Acton Smith

Meditation is like going to the mental gym. It's a way of building up the strength of your mind.

Michael Acton Smith

Nothing in life matters more than our relationships that we build throughout our life.

Michael Acton Smith

Early entrepreneurial journey: Firebox and learning the power of storytellingMind Candy, Perplex City, and Moshi Monsters: rise, fall, and platform shiftsBurnout, chronic stress, and the personal cost of entrepreneurial identityOrigins, funding struggles, and breakout moment of the Calm appMeditation, mindfulness, and neuroscience of attention and emotional regulationSleep science, sleep stories, and changing cultural attitudes to restLeadership, communication, relationships, and managing mental health in founders

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