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How To Chase Your Dreams Without Fear Holding You Back with Fran Millar | E67

This weeks episode entitled 'How To Chase Your Dreams Without Fear Holding You Back' topics: 0:00 Intro 01:24 Your Brother 15:16 “Being a difficult woman” 24:10 This idea of labels 28:51 The move away from cycling 38:32 Winning behaviours 45:20 Key qualities to success 50:50 Relationships & Work 01:02:53 How to be successful like you 01:08:55 Belstaff 01:12:29 Are you scared of dying? 01:17:53 What does the future hold for you Fran: https://twitter.com/franmillar?lang=en https://www.linkedin.com/in/fran-millar-a7894437 Listen on: Apple podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-diary-of-a-ceo-by-steven-bartlett/id1291423644 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/7iQXmUT7XGuZSzAMjoNWlX My book pre-order: (UK, US, AUS, NZ Link) - http://hyperurl.co/xenkw2 (EU & Rest of the World Link) https://www.bookdepository.com/Happy-Sexy-Millionaire-Steven-Bartlett/9781529301496?ref=grid-view&qid=1610300058833&sr=1-2 FOLLOW ► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/steven/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/SteveBartlettSC Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-bartlett-56986834/ Sponsor - https://uk.huel.com/

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Feb 8, 20211h 24mWatch on YouTube ↗

CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 4:20

    Introduction: A Twisting Career Of Cruelty, Wonder, And Reinvention

    Steven frames Fran Millar’s story against the backdrop of British cycling’s transformation, the marginal gains movement, and the high-profile scandal of her brother David Millar. He outlines her trajectory from running a cycling business to becoming CEO of Team Sky/INEOS, and then unexpectedly jumping into fashion to lead Belstaff during the pandemic.

    • Context on Sir Dave Brailsford’s marginal gains philosophy and Dr. Steve Peters’ ‘Chimp Paradox’ model.
    • David Millar’s doping scandal and its lasting stain on British cycling.
    • Fran’s rise from entrepreneur to senior leader at Team Sky/INEOS, then to CEO of Belstaff.
    • Framing Fran as brave, ‘difficult,’ and unafraid of radical career jumps.
  2. 4:20 – 17:20

    David Millar, EPO, And How A Sport Broke A Young Man

    Fran describes her brother’s rapid ascent in cycling and the Festina/EPO era context in which he turned pro. She explains how systemic doping, complicit leadership, and commodification of athletes led him from starry-eyed teenager to deeply ashamed young man, and how that eroded him and scarred their family.

    • Parents’ divorce and David discovering cycling in the UK while living between Hong Kong and home.
    • 1998 Festina scandal, the beginning of the undetectable EPO era, and normalization of doping.
    • Team structures that treated David as a business asset, not a person; broken promises from Cofidis owner Francois Migraine.
    • Psychological toll: David’s depression, heavy drinking in the off-season, and growing self-loathing.
    • Fran’s guilt about ‘turning a blind eye’ and their family’s mixed reactions and internal divisions.
  3. 17:20 – 27:10

    Responsibility, Obedience, And The Myth That ‘We’d Do Better’

    Reflecting on David’s choices, Fran challenges simplistic moral judgments of dopers by invoking human obedience experiments and cultural pressures. She argues that in normalized cheating cultures, resisting is exceptional, not default, and that youthful impressionability plus intense dreams make transgression much more likely.

    • Comparison to Milgram-like shock experiments: 65% are willing to ‘press the button’ to fatal levels.
    • Role of authority, culture, and incremental normalization in moral compromise.
    • Fran’s view: David remains responsible, but he was a fragile, passionate dreamer in a rotten system.
    • Cultural tendency to project our imagined moral superiority onto athletes in extreme situations.
  4. 27:10 – 41:40

    Collateral Damage: Being The Sister Of A ‘Shamed’ Athlete

    Fran recounts the fallout of David’s arrest and ban from cycling, including media vilification and personal attacks online. She describes how her own identity and business, built partly on his success, felt threatened, and why she ultimately stopped representing him in the press to protect herself from binary, moralizing narratives.

    • Fran’s agency and reputation were tied to David’s profile; his arrest felt like her world collapsing.
    • Experience of reading forums where colleagues wished her brother dead and trashed his character.
    • Shift from being ‘David Millar’s sister’ in a glamorous sense to being attached to a ‘social pariah.’
    • Decision to stop acting as his spokesperson due to frustration with simplistic ‘right vs wrong’ media debates.
    • Acknowledgement that the scandal shaped her career choices and gave her a mission in cycling.
  5. 41:40 – 51:20

    Being A ‘Difficult Woman’: Gender, Filters, And Owning Your Voice

    The conversation turns to gendered double standards in business and sport. Fran embraces the ‘difficult woman’ label as a rejection of expectations for female niceness and passivity, while also acknowledging that younger Fran sometimes conflated authenticity with unnecessary aggression.

    • Behavioral double standards: assertive men vs ‘chippy’ women; confident men vs ‘arrogant’ women.
    • Fran’s lack of a natural filter and her belief women shouldn’t have to mute themselves to belong.
    • Sheryl Sandberg’s ‘Lean In’ example of young women not sitting at the table — and Fran observing it in real life.
    • Distinguishing between healthy assertiveness and plain aggression; learning manners without shrinking.
    • Message to young women: you don’t have to be loud to be authentic; true self can be shy or insecure too.
  6. 51:20 – 1:13:00

    Radical Candor, Not License To Be A Dickhead

    Fran and Steven examine how their leadership styles have evolved toward greater directness and honesty. Fran frames feedback through the ‘Radical Candor’ model, arguing that high standards plus high care develop people, whereas sugarcoating stalls growth and cruelty masquerading as honesty destroys trust.

    • Steven’s shift from indirect to very direct feedback as his responsibilities grew.
    • Fran: no place for aggression and anger inflicted on others in business, even if you feel them internally.
    • Radical Candor quadrants: arrogant asshole vs malignant empathy vs radical candor.
    • Why opaque niceness (‘you’re doing great’) can be more damaging than blunt truth.
    • Concept of ‘compassionately ruthless’: set clear standards, tell people the truth, and if they can’t meet it, help them move on rather than leave them failing.
  7. 1:13:00 – 1:30:40

    Leaving Cycling: Identity, Stagnation, And The Belstaff Leap

    Fran details how she moved from total immersion in cycling to becoming CEO of Belstaff during COVID. After years of feeling stagnant and more focused on others’ development than her own, a health scare and a thrilling project (Kipchoge’s sub‑2 marathon) made her realize she needed a new challenge despite the pain of leaving.

    • Years of deep identification with cycling and Team Sky; Steve Peters pushing her to see it as ‘just a job.’
    • Sky’s exit, INEOS’s acquisition, and her initial plan to leave when sponsorship changed.
    • Being persuaded to stay as CEO, then reinvigorated by delivering the 1:59 marathon project while Brailsford was ill.
    • Feeling she was coasting, ‘just going through the motions’ versus being stretched and learning.
    • A brief, tentative chat with the chairman about her future leading, within weeks, to an offer to run Belstaff.
    • Emotional whiplash: saying goodbye to a team of 10 years on Friday, new CEO at Belstaff on Monday.
  8. 1:30:40 – 1:45:20

    Jumping Off Cliffs: Fear, Evidence, And The Skill Of Quitting

    Steven and Fran compare notes on voluntarily leaving successful roles. Both describe the emotional turbulence of letting go of security, but Steven emphasizes how prior ‘evidence’ of surviving big quits makes future risks less scary. They frame quitting as an underrated skill that precedes all meaningful new beginnings.

    • Metaphor of leaping off a cliff and building a glider on the way down.
    • Steven’s history of dropping out of university and quitting his first company, each time landing on something better.
    • Fran’s first truly traumatic career jump and how lived experience of success on the other side will ease future ones.
    • Reframing quitting from failure to prerequisite for growth and new identity chapters.
    • The importance of acting quickly in the ‘niggling’ moment before fear and comfort drag you back.
  9. 1:45:20 – 1:56:20

    Designing High-Performance Culture: ‘Winning Behaviors’ At Team Sky

    Fran explains how, after early underperformance and then rapid Tour de France dominance, Team Sky codified the behaviors that made them successful. The ‘winning behaviors’ role focused less on slogans and more on precise, behavioral standards that reduced politics and increased psychological safety in a relentlessly demanding environment.

    • Team Sky’s rocky first year (2010), then Tour victories in 2012 (Wiggins) and 2013 (Froome).
    • The shift from pioneering underdogs to an established superteam changed what new signings expected.
    • Bradley vs Froome factionalism (‘Team Brad’ vs ‘Team Froome’) revealed the need for a clear cultural charter.
    • Five domains including self and team: managing your emotions, not poisoning team dynamics, no backstabbing.
    • Rules like: debate vigorously in the room, but once a decision is made you must align publicly or leave.
    • Teams as dynamic organisms where one new or removed person can transform collective behavior.
  10. 1:56:20 – 2:06:40

    Work Ethic, Burnout Narratives, And ‘Hard Pleasure’

    Steven and Fran debate the current cultural backlash against glorifying hard work. They agree that the issue isn’t intensity but misalignment: grinding at things you don’t care about. Fran’s stance is that her work is her life — not in a compulsive way, but because it’s where she chooses to invest her energy and derive meaning.

    • Steven’s reflection on previously promoting ‘hustle porn’ and now being more nuanced.
    • Distinction between being ‘exceptionally busy’ versus working hard with clear purpose.
    • Fran’s rejection of a strict work/life split: for her, work is central and joyful, not an imposition.
    • Owning lifestyle design: she chose not to have children or a partner; work and close friends are her ‘tribe.’
    • Agreement that you can work very hard and still take days off, see friends, and have a life.
  11. 2:06:40 – 2:15:20

    Belstaff, Retail Upheaval, And Learning A New Industry Mid-Pandemic

    Now in fashion, Fran describes taking over a loss-making heritage brand amid COVID and retail disruption. She spends her first months listening, learning the industry, and forming a plan, while believing firmly that Belstaff’s legacy and product justify a turnaround — especially if physical retail can be reimagined as experiential.

    • Her appointment came via Jim Ratcliffe’s direct request; she felt she couldn’t really say no.
    • First 100 days focused on one-to-ones and resisting the urge to make instant big calls.
    • Aim: return Belstaff to profitability, leveraging its 96‑year history and improved product.
    • View that COVID accelerated existing trends: high-street decline and e‑commerce adoption.
    • Belief that physical stores will still matter as experience hubs rather than pure sales channels.
  12. 2:15:20 – 2:33:40

    Opting Out Of The Script: Relationships, Motherhood, And A Life Less Ordinary

    Fran dives into her unconventional personal choices: happily single, childfree, and deeply embedded in a close-knit circle of friends and godchildren. She explains that societal pressure to couple up or have kids has never aligned with her internal motivations, and she consciously rejects the idea that fulfillment requires a nuclear family.

    • Fran’s lack of motivation for a romantic partner: she doesn’t crave companionship in that form.
    • Dating experiences felt like ‘kill me now’ small talk with one obvious endgame; not worth the energy.
    • Deep, meaningful connections via a small circle of friends and their children; that is her community.
    • Societal pressure on women post‑30 to marry and have children and how it eased in her 40s.
    • Influence of her mother’s adoption story and intense maternal love on Fran’s fear of parental anxiety.
    • Her belief that she couldn’t do CEO-level work and intensive parenting without constant compromise.
    • Engagement in her 20s, moving in, then instant realization ‘I don’t want this’ and walking away.
  13. 2:33:40 – 2:52:00

    Mortality, Brain Scans, And Living Without Regret

    A cycling crash and alarming MRI results forced Fran to confront her own mortality. The possibility of brain tumors led her to reflect on whether she’d been living in alignment with her values — and recognizing she wouldn’t change much gave her both comfort and fresh courage to take future risks.

    • Bike crash leading to concussion and an MRI for safety.
    • Multiple unexplained patches appearing on her brain scan; doctors discussing tumor possibilities.
    • A year of watchful waiting, weighing invasive biopsies vs symptom monitoring.
    • Private reflection: realizing she wouldn’t fundamentally change how she lived, which felt freeing.
    • Connection between this experience and her later willingness to jump into Belstaff.
    • Parallels with Steven’s ‘deathbed thinking’ and sand-timer metaphor: using finitude to guide choices.
  14. 2:52:00 – 3:00:40

    Money, Freedom, And Spending On Experiences, Not Things

    Near the end, the discussion turns to money and how Fran uses it. For her, financial success is primarily a tool to create memorable experiences for herself and the people she loves, not a scorecard or identity marker.

    • Fran’s youthful five‑year plan obsessed with jets and yachts versus her friend’s family-focused plan.
    • Realization over time that money’s value lies in what it enables, not its accumulation.
    • Examples: taking her sister‑in‑law to Dubai, her brother to Hong Kong, and funding friends’ trips they couldn’t otherwise afford.
    • Preference for spending on experiences and relationships over luxury consumption for its own sake.
  15. 3:00:40

    Closing Reflections: No Plan, Just Doing Your Best

    Fran closes without grand designs for the future, content to keep doing work she cares about with people she likes. Anchored by the simple standard offered by Jim Ratcliffe — ‘the only thing I can ask you to do is your best’ — she rejects rigid life plans in favor of openness and gratitude.

    • Fran says she has no detailed five‑year plan and doesn’t feel she needs one.
    • Primary priority: health and happiness of family and friends; beyond that, she’ll take what comes.
    • Jim Ratcliffe’s text: ‘The only thing I can ask you to do is your best’ as a liberating mantra.
    • Recognition that worry about outcomes beyond your control is largely useless anxiety.
    • Mutual appreciation between Steven and Fran; brief plug for Steven’s book ‘Happy Sexy Millionaire.’

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