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Vanessa Van Edwards: The Conversation Habit That Makes Smart People Unlikeable

Are you sabotaging yourself with terrible communication habits and unconscious body language? Unlock the secrets of human connection to cultivate charisma, forge deeper connections, and eliminate awkward small talk for good. Vanessa Van Edwards is a behavioral researcher and the author of Cues, Captivate, and her new book, Conversation. She returns to decode the underlying dynamics that shape relationships, providing actionable techniques to bypass social autopilot. She helps master non-verbal cues to prevent communication friction from harming your career and personal life. In this episode, she explains: ■ The Conversation Blueprint: How to navigate the three distinct psychological levels of interaction ■ The Autopilot Trap: Why socially scripted questions like "How are you?" or "What do you do?" actually destroy connection. ■ The Mechanics of Rizz: The exact science behind conversational turn taking, why speaking for more than 45 seconds creates friction. ■ Command with Body Language: How to instantly project warmth and competence by finding your maximum resonance point. ■ The Five Story Archetypes: How to decode the psychological narratives of the people around you. 00:00:00 Intro 00:02:11 How to Connect With Anyone 00:03:20 Why Great Conversation Is a Superpower 00:06:41 The 3 Questions That Build Instant Connection 00:17:59 The Fastest Way to Build a Real Connection 00:23:45 How to Get to Know Someone Fast 00:32:41 Why Genuine Curiosity Makes You More Charismatic 00:35:32 The Questions That Secretly Kill Conversations 00:40:40 What’s Worse: Talking Too Much or Too Little? 00:44:15 How to Know If You Talk Too Much 00:45:22 How to Spot a Conversational Narcissist 00:48:34 Ads 00:55:11 How to Know If You’re a Conversational Narcissist 01:08:50 The Real Reason First Dates Go Wrong 01:13:47 Can You Go Too Deep Too Quickly? 01:18:03 How to Rewrite the Story You Tell Yourself 01:22:50 The Psychology of Taking Control of Your Life 01:25:16 Ads 01:30:02 What Science Reveals About Luck and Success 01:36:04 The 5 Personality Archetypes Explained 01:42:36 Why Your Personality Changes How You Should Communicate 01:51:45 The Psychology of the “Unlucky Struggler” 01:55:43 How to Escape an Awkward Conversation 01:59:08 How to Build Aura and Rizz 02:00:30 How to Become More Charismatic 02:04:51 The Hidden Habits That Kill Your Charisma 02:08:59 What “Aura” Actually Means 02:13:21 The Eye Contact Trick That Builds Connection 02:16:11 How to Become an Exceptional Listener 02:22:23 Who This Book Was Really Written For Let Steven know if you feel “lucky” here! https://doyoufeelluckychallenge.web.app/ Follow Vanessa: YouTube - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/4sKjzqT Instagram - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/8fFNJdo TikTok - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/CWueu1F You can pre-order Vanessa’s book, Conversations here: https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/A69YXE2 The Diary Of A CEO: ◼ Join DOAC circle here - https://doaccircle.com/ ◼ Buy The Diary Of A CEO book here - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/BWjLTZK ◼ Shop The Diary Of A CEO collection: https://thediary.com/collections/shop ◼ Get email updates - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/5IB1H6E ◼ Follow Steven - https://link.thediaryofaceo.com/AGU9QP4 Sponsors: Fiverr - https://fiverr.com/diary and get 10% off your first order when you use code DIARY Shopify - https://shopify.com/bartlett

Vanessa Van EdwardsguestSteven Bartletthost
Sep 10, 20262h 26mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Stop scripted small talk and use science to build real connection

  1. Vanessa Van Edwards argues we’re in a “connection crisis” where technology, asynchronous messaging, and performative media are weakening real conversational skill and increasing loneliness.
  2. She presents evidence from large speed-networking experiments showing that common openers like “What do you do?” and “How are you?” trigger scripted, low-connection exchanges, while story- and emotion-inviting questions create faster rapport.
  3. Using Dan McAdams’ model, she teaches a three-level structure—Level 1 traits, Level 2 personal concerns, Level 3 self-narrative—emphasizing pacing, psychological safety, and avoiding depth too quickly.
  4. She explains conversational failure modes (overtalking, conversational narcissism, dream-killing fact-checking) and offers concrete mechanics—turn length targets, nonverbal cues, curiosity drills, and better “What do you do?” answers—to reduce friction at work and in dating.
  5. She connects charisma (“aura/rizz”) to being easy to talk to, clearly signaling liking, and using confident vocal/physical cues, then closes with tools for graceful exits and stronger meeting/relationship rituals.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Conversation is career insurance and social health maintenance, not “extra.”

Vanessa frames conversation as a learnable skill that protects careers, relationships, and well-being—especially as tech reduces face-to-face practice and loneliness rises. She urges treating “social health” like a gym: repeatable reps, not a personality trait.

Stop leading with scripted questions; they create conversational autopilot and boredom.

Her speed-networking study found “What do you do?” (and “How are you?”) triggers autopilot, short answers, and dead ends. Better openers lightly break the script and invite story/emotion without being too deep.

Move through three levels of conversation; depth too soon creates discomfort.

Using Dan McAdams’ framework, she argues connection deepens through Level 1 (traits/facts with story), Level 2 (goals/values/worries), then Level 3 (self-narrative). Jumping to “What’s your story?” too early can spike anxiety and feel invasive.

Curiosity and turn-length awareness are the antidotes to overtalking and conversational narcissism.

Overtalking often comes from insecurity and fear of silence; the fix is assertive curiosity and turn-taking. Practical diagnostics include timing your “turns” (15–30 seconds ideal; 45 seconds starts to feel monologic), watching for nonverbal cues like the “open fish,” and using the YAP self-test on camera.

Identify whether someone is an entertainer or appreciator, then adapt your role.

She distinguishes “entertainers” (who want to tell stories, give advice, hold the floor) from “appreciators” (who prefer listening, laughing, and asking). Matching your approach—questions for entertainers vs. stories/novelty for appreciators—reduces friction, especially with bosses/VIPs.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Conversation is the vehicle to get what you want.

Vanessa Van Edwards

The wrong way to approach conversation is trying to impress, not discover. If you're trying to impress people, conversation becomes performative, and that is so deeply unfulfilling, right? That is when small talk becomes soul-crushing.

Vanessa Van Edwards

I truly believe a fact is a, is a stop sign, a story is a doorway.

Vanessa Van Edwards

A voice note is, is not a conversation. A voice note is a monologue. And when you're giving a voice note, I don't get the, "Oh, it's my turn. Me too. How dare you? I don't like that. I don't agree." Like, there's no back and forth. In fact, it's the most selfish form of conversation.

Vanessa Van Edwards

Competence without warmth is likely to leave us feeling suspicious.

Vanessa Van Edwards

Connection crisis and lonelinessSpeed-networking findings on best/worst openersThree-level conversation model (traits, concerns, narrative)Curiosity vs impressing; conversational generosityOvertalking diagnostics (turn length, nonverbal cues, YAP challenge)Entertainers vs appreciators; conversational narcissismSelf-narratives: redemption vs contamination; “Are you lucky?” test

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