Dr. George Church on Dwarkesh Patel: Why Aging Is Curable

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June 26, 2025

Duration

1h 34m

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Dwarkesh Podcast

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📝 EPISODE DESCRIPTION

George Church is the godfather of modern synthetic biology and has been involved with basically every major biotech breakthrough in the last few decades. Professor Church thinks that these improvements (e.g., orders of magnitude decrease in sequencing & synthesis costs, precise gene editing tools like CRISPR, AlphaFold-type AIs, & the ability to conduct massively parallel multiplex experiments) have put us on the verge of some massive payoffs: de-aging, de-extinction, biobots that combine the best of human and natural engineering, and (unfortunately) weaponized mirror life. Read the transcript: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/george-church Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dwarkesh-podcast/id1516093381?i=1000714690480 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7i0apPkNdLsZPfUulrAzHu?si=d3e1c0312c0c4a9b ---------------------------------------- SPONSORS

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• George Church

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• Dwarkesh Patel

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🧾 EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Dwarkesh Podcast, featuring George Church and Dwarkesh Patel, Dr. George Church on Dwarkesh Patel: Why Aging Is Curable explores george Church on rewriting life, aging, biosecurity, and future biotech George Church discusses the rapid acceleration of biotechnology, arguing that advances in gene editing, delivery, AI, and synthetic biology could yield near ‘escape velocity’ from aging around mid‑century and radically improve health and materials science.

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