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Bryan Caplan - Nurturing Orphaned Ideas, Education, and UBI

Bryan Caplan is a Professor of Economics at George Mason University and a New York Times Bestselling author. His most famous works include The Myth of the Rational Voter, The Case Against Education, and Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration. For the inaugural episode of The Lunar Society, Bryan Caplan talks with me about open borders, the idea trap, UBI, appeasement, China, the education system, and Bryan Caplan's next two books on poverty and housing regulation. Episode Website: https://www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/bryan-caplan Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3TqzW16 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3QZlLOV Follow Bryan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/bryan_caplan Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dwarkesh_sp

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May 21, 202057mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Bryan Caplan attacks UBI, defends open borders, and rethinks poverty

  1. Bryan Caplan discusses how his views are seen as radical, clarifying his positions on education, literacy, and the limits of homeschooling, especially for math. He revisits his 'idea trap' concept to explain how crises can enable bad policies, and he outlines a long-run, elite-focused theory of how radical ideas like open borders eventually affect policy. Caplan then critiques nationalist arguments against immigration, questions special obligations to citizens, and defends economic integration with China while warning about nuclear risk and overreactive foreign policy. He strongly opposes universal basic income as wasteful and innumerate, previews his upcoming books on poverty and housing regulation, and reflects on persuasion, disagreeableness, and his own intellectual evolution.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Schooling helps, but is not the sole source of basic skills—math is the main vulnerability.

Caplan argues that while people could acquire literacy and numeracy outside formal schooling, schools clearly contribute, and homeschooling—especially unschooling—often produces noticeable math deficits even among smart students.

Crises can trigger ‘idea traps’ where panic enables historically bad policies.

He suggests that during periods of high stress (like pandemics or inflation spikes), voters and leaders become unusually open to discredited measures such as sweeping lockdowns or price controls, because fear overrides sober cost–benefit reasoning.

Lasting policy change often comes from decades of elite persuasion, not single books or charismatic leaders.

Caplan sees his own work as adding tiny marginal weight to long-run shifts in elite opinion; he cites gay marriage and marijuana legalization as ideas incubated among young elites and culturally normalized via media before becoming law.

Immigration restrictions are morally akin to unjust labor-market protectionism and can’t be squared with liberal principles.

He counters arguments about citizens’ ‘asymmetric access’ to labor markets by analogizing immigration bans to race-based job exclusion or sabotaging competitors to help one’s child, emphasizing the rights of willing employers and workers.

Universal basic income is, in his view, fiscally naive and morally misdirected.

Using back-of-the-envelope math, he argues that a politically plausible UBI would require extremely high tax rates on a small fraction of earners, squander scarce redistributive resources on the non-poor, and weakly justifies coercive taxation compared with tightly targeted aid.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Immigration laws are a lot like going and slashing the tires if someone is competing with your kid for a job.

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If you think about countries as being the collective property of their citizens, then all principled libertarian arguments make no sense to you.

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The slogan of UBI should be spending taxpayer money like drunken sailors.

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There was never any reason to get rid of the idea of the deserving and undeserving poor.

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Without World War I, you wouldn’t have had communism or Nazism or fascism… we avoid most of the horrors of the 20th century.

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Perceptions of Caplan’s radicalism and his stance on schooling, literacy, and homeschooling (especially math)The “idea trap,” crises, COVID responses, and how bad conditions enable bad policyMechanisms of policy change: elite persuasion, cultural influence, and long-run shifts (e.g., gay marriage, marijuana)Moral and economic arguments for open borders vs. nationalist and labor-market-protection argumentsCitizenship, special obligations, redistribution, and consistency with libertarian and humanitarian ethicsCritique of universal basic income, budget math, and moral evaluation of universal cash transfersForthcoming books on poverty (deserving vs. undeserving poor) and housing regulation as a drag on growth

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