Xi Jinping’s paranoid approach to AGI, debt crisis, & Politburo politics — Victor Shih

ℹ️ EPISODE INFO

Released

May 29, 2025

Duration

1h 29m

Channel

Dwarkesh Podcast

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📝 EPISODE DESCRIPTION

On this episode, I chat with Victor Shih about all things China. We discuss China’s massive local debt crisis, the CCP’s views on AI, what happens after Xi, and more. Victor Shih is an expert on the Chinese political system, as well as their banking and fiscal policies, and he has amassed more biographical data on the Chinese elite than anyone else in the world. He teaches at UC San Diego, where he also directs the 21st Century China Center. 𝐄𝐏𝐈𝐒𝐎𝐃𝐄 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊𝐒

• Transcript: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/victor-shih
• Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/xi-jinpings-paranoid-approach-to-agi-debt-crisis-politburo/id1516093381?i=1000710442426
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🎤 SPEAKERS

• Victor Shih

  guest

• Dwarkesh Patel

  host

• Narrator

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🧾 EPISODE SUMMARY

In this episode of Dwarkesh Podcast, featuring Victor Shih and Dwarkesh Patel, Xi Jinping’s paranoid approach to AGI, debt crisis, & Politburo politics — Victor Shih explores xi Jinping centralizes power as China juggles AI, debt, succession risks Victor Shih explains how Xi Jinping has reshaped China’s political system into an intensely centralized, micromanaged regime where his personal preferences quickly become national policy across everything from AI to COVID.

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