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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT
Nothing's Carl Pei on Building a Community-Driven Smartphone Challenger to Apple
- Carl Pei describes growing up in Sweden, teaching himself web building, moving to China, and leaving Sweden's top business school without a diploma because it ignored tech companies and e-commerce.
- He recounts working at Meizu and OPPO and being on OnePlus's founding team, where he learned that the product matters most, and decided he wanted to help define technology rather than just integrate others' components.
- Nothing began with design and earbuds to buy time, and survived near-death moments including a faulty first earbud batch and a missing display IC chip for its first phone.
- Pei says he treats marketing purely as an efficiency problem and wants to erase the barrier between company and community, including letting community members invest and co-create products like the Phone (2a) Community Edition and CMF Phone (1).
- He believes AI will bring an operating system without apps, giving Nothing a chance to compete in a race where everyone restarts, and he cautions that founding a startup is not a cool lifestyle.
IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING
5 ideasThe product matters more than brand or marketing
Pei's OnePlus lesson was that people pay for the product, and you can disappoint a customer only once before they stop coming back, so most energy should go into product experience.
Design is the fastest way to differentiate when you lack R&D resources
Nothing's strategy was to buy time by starting with design, which needs creative people and ideas rather than long R&D, while building toward becoming a true tech company.
Being turned down pushed Nothing to start with earbuds
After investors and suppliers had been burned by earlier failed smartphone startups, Nothing made earbuds first to prove it could design something beautiful, working with a struggling factory that had no other customers.
Crises can be survived by pushing through and fixing the problem directly
Pei put 15 engineers in apartments near the factory to supervise production after 80% of the first batch was faulty, and he asked 50 to 100 people for IC chips; looking back, such crises seemed small half a year later.
Marketing should be judged on efficiency
Pei argues that a small brand matching big companies' tactics and spend percentages stays small, so it must find high-efficiency opportunities, and creativity is valuable when it raises efficiency, as with Apple's first creative Super Bowl ad.
WORDS WORTH SAVING
5 quotesSmartphone is a stupid machine. It makes us more stupid. It makes us doomscroll social media or compare ourselves to other people and feel not that good about ourselves
— Carl Pei
How do we erase the barrier between company and community? Community member and employees are the same thing.
— Carl Pei
The biggest lesson is just to push through. Every time I felt the world was falling apart or I couldn't take it anymore, I just pushed through, and then looking back, like, half a year later to what happened half a year ago, it's... Doesn't matter.
— Carl Pei
Don't start a s- startup just to look cool or you think that, like, this is a cool lifestyle. It's not a cool lifestyle. It's like, I got a lot of gray hair now. I didn't have any gray hair before. But I wouldn't trade it for anything else.
— Carl Pei
If they don't recognize you, it means your brand is growing, and the founder doesn't matter anymore
— Carl Pei
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