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Anorexia, Zillow, and the Search for Self with Glennon Doyle

Dr. Becky sits down with bestselling author and truth-teller Glennon Doyle for a candid conversation about anorexia, the messy process of recovery, and the emotional baggage they’re determined not to pass on to their kids. Glennon also opens up about her Zillow scrolling—and to her surprise, Becky totally relates. Together, they explore what this search for the “perfect home” reveals about our deeper longing for safety, belonging, and peace. As the saying goes, *“Wherever I go, there I am.”* *This episode is inspired by Glennon’s upcoming book,* *We Can Do Hard Things: Answers to Life's 20 Questions*, *written with Abby Wambach and Amanda Doyle—available May 6, 2025. Pre-order now wherever books are sold.* **Content Warning:** In this episode, we discuss eating disorders, including personal experiences with anorexia. If this topic is sensitive for you, please take care while listening. You can skip this episode or return to it when you're in a safe and supported space. Get the Good Inside App by Dr. Becky: https://bit.ly/4cxuT94 Follow Dr. Becky on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbeckyatgoodinside Sign up for our weekly email, Good Insider: https://www.goodinside.com/newsletter For a full transcript of the episode, go to goodinside.com/podcast. Today’s episode is brought to you by Midi. ****Two things are true: There are great things that come with age *and* there are some not-so-great things. If you’re a woman in mid-life, you know what I’m talking about: insomnia, brain fog, mood changes, sleep disruptions. It feels hard *because* it is hard, and you deserve resources and support through this phase of life. That's where Midi Health comes in. Midi Health clinicians are specialized perimenopause and menopause experts. They get it. They're not going to tell you it's "all in your head." They’re not going to dismiss your concerns or struggles. Instead, they offer real solutions: safe, effective, FDA-approved medications when needed, plus guidance on supplements, lifestyle changes, and preventative healthcare. Midi is covered by most major insurances —plus, you can connect with their clinicians through convenient telehealth visits and 24/7 messaging. You deserve to feel great. Book your virtual visit today at JoinMidi.com. Today’s episode is brought to you by Great Wolf Lodge. As a mom of three kids, I’m always on the lookout for family adventures that offer something for everyone (including myself!). That’s why Great Wolf Lodge is high on our list of future destinations! They offer a world of fun, all under one roof, including water slides, a lazy river, a massive wave pool, arcade games, mini golf and nightly dance parties! With 23 locations all across North America, and more on the way, chances are there’s a Great Wolf Lodge just a short drive away from you. You can save up to 40% off on any stay at Great Wolf Lodge from now through August 31st when you book at participating lodges. Just visit [GreatWolf.com](http://GreatWolf.com) and enter the promo code “GoodInside” – when you book.

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CHAPTERS

  1. 0:00 – 1:09

    From body peace to feeling at home in yourself

    Dr. Becky steers the conversation away from parenting and toward Glennon’s chapter on making peace with the body—framed as the deeper question of feeling at home in yourself. They name how personal and activating eating-disorder history can be, and agree to explore it together in real time.

    • The core question: making peace with your body as a form of self-belonging
    • Dr. Becky connects Glennon’s chapter to her own anorexia history
    • Reframing the topic beyond food: embodiment, safety, and self-trust
    • Permission to explore without needing a neat ‘expert’ answer
  2. 1:09 – 2:27

    Zillow as a mental-health metric: chasing comfort externally

    Glennon shares a revealing ‘tell’: the more time she spends on Zillow, the more dysregulated she feels. They unpack how the urge to relocate or reinvent can be an attempt to solve internal discomfort with external change.

    • Zillow browsing as a signal of disconnection from self
    • A lifelong baseline of discomfort and the search for the ‘right’ place
    • Pattern of frequent moves as an externalized fix
    • The insight: ‘Wherever I go, there I am’
  3. 2:27 – 5:14

    Turning fantasy into a need: cabin solitude vs. life upheaval

    Instead of shaming the impulse to escape, Glennon experiments with interpreting it as information. A cabin fantasy becomes a clue about needing solitude, rest, and less exposure—needs that can be met without uprooting everything.

    • Escapist fantasies can represent legitimate unmet needs
    • Identify what the imagined place symbolizes (solitude, quiet, space)
    • Meet the need in small doses (30 minutes at home) rather than drastic action
    • Separating urge from action creates choice
  4. 5:14 – 6:01

    Cabin or commune? Learning to hold competing needs

    Glennon admits her mind swings between extremes (isolated cabin vs. communal living). Together they name the real work: tolerating complexity—needing both connection and solitude—without converting it into all-or-nothing decisions.

    • Extremes can mask normal oscillating human needs
    • Both/and: solitude and connection in the same life
    • Impulse control as a recovery skill: don’t convert urges into sweeping moves
    • Self-awareness reduces collateral impact on family
  5. 6:01 – 7:17

    Parenting as unhealed material: ‘Try to figure your shit out’

    Glennon reflects on how unresolved pain gets acted out through parenting decisions and family instability. Dr. Becky echoes that parenting constantly presents a fork: reenact patterns or work to heal them.

    • Kids can get swept into a parent’s unresolved coping strategies
    • Parenting is often the stage where unhealed parts become visible
    • Healing reduces ‘acting out’ and increases family peace
    • Taking responsibility: recognizing past choices were ‘about me’
  6. 7:17 – 8:11

    Food rules and people rules: the same safety strategy

    Glennon recounts a therapist’s insight: how she handles food mirrors how she handles people—few “safe” options and fear of the rest. She describes protecting her family through judgment and avoidance, and the emotional cost of that lens.

    • Parallel patterns: ‘safe foods’ and ‘safe people’
    • Hypervigilance and avoidance framed as protection
    • Judgment as a defense against fear and uncertainty
    • Family impact: narrowing a child’s openness to the world
  7. 8:11 – 12:08

    A ‘dirty lens’ conversation with her daughter: naming the pattern

    After noticing her daughter’s dimming at the dinner table, Glennon makes repair: she names her fear-driven judgment and asks her daughter not to adopt it. She offers a practical tactic—‘look at me, not the person’—as a temporary bridge while she works on change.

    • Recognizing dissociation/dimming as feedback that harm is happening
    • Direct repair: owning the behavior and its origin (fear)
    • Separating child’s perception from parent’s lens
    • ‘Stop-gap’ strategy: label the pattern in the moment without transmitting it
  8. 12:08 – 14:06

    Seeing the water you’re swimming in: building inner authority

    They broaden the moment into a philosophy: kids need help seeing that a parent’s worldview is one lens, not reality itself. Glennon’s daughter names the tension—Mom is smart but not always right—leading to the practice of taking what fits and leaving the rest.

    • Parents shape the ‘water’ of a child’s environment
    • Maintaining inner authority: ‘take the good stuff and leave the rest’
    • Avoiding blind following—at home and in culture/politics
    • Anorexia linked to external authority and outsourced knowing
  9. 14:06 – 15:25

    Rigidity, morality, and ‘maybe’: the antidote to certainty addiction

    Dr. Becky connects anorexia to moral rigidity (good/bad, right/wrong) and the relief of certainty. They highlight ‘maybe’—holding dissonance without immediate resolution—as a core mental-health skill for kids and adults.

    • Anorexia’s moral framework: shifting ‘good/bad’ rules
    • Certainty feels comforting but reduces nuance and flexibility
    • ‘Maybe’ as a protective capacity: neither swallowing nor rejecting
    • Learning to tolerate ambiguity instead of forcing answers
  10. 15:25 – 20:16

    Helping kids think (not what to think): yielding mental space

    Glennon contrasts controlling commentary with open curiosity that lets a teen explore their own perceptions. Dr. Becky explains how parental rigidity forces kids into the opposing role, preventing them from integrating internal conflict and discernment.

    • Shift from verdicts to curiosity: ‘Tell me more’ done genuinely
    • Too much parental certainty turns a child’s job into resistance
    • Goal: help kids hold internal conflict (liking someone + noticing flags)
    • Discernment grows by slowing decisions and practicing questions
  11. 20:16 – 23:32

    A concrete example: the ‘club’ and resisting the 30-second fix

    Dr. Becky shares a pivotal parenting moment: responding to her son’s exclusionary “club” by exploring the appeal of power before moralizing. She emphasizes trusting the long arc of learning rather than trying to ‘solve’ a child in one conversation.

    • Understand what’s ‘good’ about bad behavior (power, belonging)
    • Curiosity builds reflection more than lectures do
    • Create space around urges instead of demanding immediate compliance
    • Trusting time and repetition as the pathway to growth
  12. 23:32 – 28:51

    Mind-spreading, trauma-speed ‘smartness,’ and the body’s wisdom

    Glennon introduces ‘mind spreading’—dominating a space with fast conclusions—then links that speed to fear and trauma rather than true wisdom. They distinguish being clever (control, performance) from knowing what you want (embodied desire).

    • ‘Mind spreading’ crowds out others’ thinking and autonomy
    • Kids may confuse a parent’s speed/confidence with truth
    • Strong opinions can be a trauma response (‘I’m not smart, I’m scared’)
    • Embodiment as the route to wisdom and desire
  13. 28:51 – 33:25

    Anorexia, hustle culture, and gendered conditioning: constrict vs. expand

    They connect disembodiment to cultural programming: women are rewarded for shrinking, restricting, and pleasing; men are encouraged to expand, invest, and lead. Glennon argues the culture rewards mind-based performance and punishes rest, joy, and desire—making recovery socially subversive.

    • Mind = tracking what others want; body = discovering what you want
    • Embodiment requires moving through stored trauma and discomfort
    • Cultural reinforcement: women ‘constrict,’ men ‘expand’ across domains
    • Hustle culture parallels eating-disorder logic and is socially rewarded
  14. 33:25 – 35:33

    No false certainty: peace as surrender, nuance, and shared questions

    Glennon rejects the promise of safety offered by dogma—whether in religion, food rules, or rigid ideologies. They close on a vision of peace as an ongoing, messy, open-armed engagement with life rather than a finalized solution, and Dr. Becky reflects on Glennon’s increased embodiment.

    • False certainty comforts briefly but demands self-erasure
    • Peace is closer to surrender and living without guarantees
    • Healing looks like dancing with questions, not resolving them
    • Closing reflection: visible embodiment and ‘glow’ as recovery in motion

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