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Anorexia, Zillow, and the Search for Self with Glennon Doyle

Dr. Becky sits down with bestselling author and truth-teller Glennon Doyle for a candid conversation about anorexia, the messy process of recovery, and the emotional baggage they’re determined not to pass on to their kids. Glennon also opens up about her Zillow scrolling—and to her surprise, Becky totally relates. Together, they explore what this search for the “perfect home” reveals about our deeper longing for safety, belonging, and peace. As the saying goes, *“Wherever I go, there I am.”* *This episode is inspired by Glennon’s upcoming book,* *We Can Do Hard Things: Answers to Life's 20 Questions*, *written with Abby Wambach and Amanda Doyle—available May 6, 2025. Pre-order now wherever books are sold.* **Content Warning:** In this episode, we discuss eating disorders, including personal experiences with anorexia. If this topic is sensitive for you, please take care while listening. You can skip this episode or return to it when you're in a safe and supported space. Get the Good Inside App by Dr. Becky: https://bit.ly/4cxuT94 Follow Dr. Becky on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbeckyatgoodinside Sign up for our weekly email, Good Insider: https://www.goodinside.com/newsletter For a full transcript of the episode, go to goodinside.com/podcast. Today’s episode is brought to you by Midi. ****Two things are true: There are great things that come with age *and* there are some not-so-great things. If you’re a woman in mid-life, you know what I’m talking about: insomnia, brain fog, mood changes, sleep disruptions. It feels hard *because* it is hard, and you deserve resources and support through this phase of life. That's where Midi Health comes in. Midi Health clinicians are specialized perimenopause and menopause experts. They get it. They're not going to tell you it's "all in your head." They’re not going to dismiss your concerns or struggles. Instead, they offer real solutions: safe, effective, FDA-approved medications when needed, plus guidance on supplements, lifestyle changes, and preventative healthcare. Midi is covered by most major insurances —plus, you can connect with their clinicians through convenient telehealth visits and 24/7 messaging. You deserve to feel great. Book your virtual visit today at JoinMidi.com. Today’s episode is brought to you by Great Wolf Lodge. As a mom of three kids, I’m always on the lookout for family adventures that offer something for everyone (including myself!). That’s why Great Wolf Lodge is high on our list of future destinations! They offer a world of fun, all under one roof, including water slides, a lazy river, a massive wave pool, arcade games, mini golf and nightly dance parties! With 23 locations all across North America, and more on the way, chances are there’s a Great Wolf Lodge just a short drive away from you. You can save up to 40% off on any stay at Great Wolf Lodge from now through August 31st when you book at participating lodges. Just visit [GreatWolf.com](http://GreatWolf.com) and enter the promo code “GoodInside” – when you book.

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Apr 29, 202535mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Embodiment over external fixes: anorexia, control, parenting, and uncertainty

  1. Glennon describes using compulsive Zillow browsing and frequent moving fantasies as signals of internal discomfort, reframing them as unmet needs for solitude or connection rather than problems to solve externally.
  2. They connect anorexia to a broader pattern of externalized control—seeking rigid rules, “safe” foods/people, or authoritative leaders—because uncertainty and desire in the body feel threatening.
  3. Glennon and Dr. Becky discuss how a parent’s unhealed fear can become a child’s “message,” and how naming patterns (“There I go again”) can reduce intergenerational transmission.
  4. The conversation reframes good parenting as teaching kids how to think (ask questions, hold conflict, tolerate ambiguity) instead of what to think (certainty, moralized rules).
  5. They argue that culture rewards women’s constriction (smallness, restriction, self-abandonment) while rewarding men’s expansion, making embodiment and desire a countercultural act.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

External fixations can be translated into internal needs.

Hours on Zillow (or fantasies of cabins/communes) can be treated as information: what feeling-state is being sought—solitude, space, connection, relief from responsibility—and how can a small version be created today?

Recovery is less about “stopping a behavior” and more about ending the search for certainty outside yourself.

Glennon links anorexia, hustle culture, religion/ideology, and wellness plans as variations of the same attempt to outsource knowing; embodiment means locating desire and truth in the body even when it’s messy.

Naming the pattern creates a protective “gap” when you can’t yet change it.

Glennon coaches her daughter to notice, “Mom’s doing that thing again,” so the child doesn’t adopt her fear-based judgments as reality; this reduces harm while the parent continues healing.

Rigid parenting advice often backfires by forcing kids into the opposite side of the conflict.

If a parent plays only the “red flag” voice, the child must become the “all-in” voice to preserve independence; better is helping the child hold both: attraction and caution, desire and doubt.

Teach children how to think by building curiosity before morality.

Dr. Becky’s “club” story models exploring what feels good about power/exclusion first, then widening perspective to impact—so the child practices self-questioning rather than compliance.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I’ve realized over time and through lots of recovery work is that wherever I go, there I am, and that’s the problem.

Glennon Doyle

Just, like, try to figure your shit out yourself. Like, because you wake up one day and you’re like, "Oh, sorry, guys. That was actually about me. Sorry."

Glennon Doyle

It’s a lens I’m putting on you, and it’s dirty. It’s a dirty lens, and I don’t want you to see the world that, the way that I see it. I want you to see the world the way that you see it. Your way is better.

Glennon Doyle

Anorexia is just a, a way of externalizing control, of, of not being embodied, of looking f- I’ve always done that. Look, look, give me a... I’m so cult susceptible. Like, give me a leader, give me a religion, give me a wellness plan, give me an ideology. Like, I have lived my life thinking the answer is out there.

Glennon Doyle

There’s no safety here. There’s none. There’s just this sort of beautiful surrender that happens when you stop, when you, when you admit to yourself that there is no safety, but there is this, like, wild, beautiful dance that you could be a part of if you’re not hiding inside of dogma- or false certainty.

Glennon Doyle

Zillow as an escape/need-signalExternalizing safety and controlAnorexia as rigidity and moral certaintySafe foods vs safe peopleParenting without becoming the child’s “message”Holding ambiguity (“maybe”) and internal conflictGendered cultural conditioning: constrict vs expand

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