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The Anxious Generation with Jonathan Haidt

Social psychologist and author, Jonathan Haidt, joins Dr. Becky to discuss his new book The Anxious Generation. In this powerful episode, they talk about the impact of phones, social media, and the decline of play on our kids' mental health. But Jonathan also offers hope that we can end the epidemic of mental illness, end phone-based childhood, and restore a more humane childhood. For Jonathan Haidt's new book, The Anxious Generation, and more information please visit anxiousgeneration.com. To dig deeper into all of these issues, and follow Jon's work beyond the book, please subscribe to his free substack, AfterBabel.com Join Good Inside Membership: https://bit.ly/3OV7dRe Follow Dr. Becky on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drbeckyatgoodinside Sign up for our weekly email, Good Insider: https://www.goodinside.com/newsletter Order Dr. Becky's book, Good Inside: A Guide to Becoming the Parent You Want to Be, at goodinside.com/book or wherever you order your books. For a full transcript of the episode, go to goodinside.com/podcast To listen to Dr. Becky's TED Talk on repair visit https://www.ted.com/talks/becky_kennedy_the_single_most_important_parenting_strategy Today’s episode is brought to you by Garanimals: Garanimals is the original mix-and-match clothing brand for babies and toddlers in sizes newborn to 5T. Each Kid Pack contains carefully curated tops and bottoms that easily mix and match. Pick any top and any bottom, and voila! Instant outfit. And with up to a month’s worth of outfits in just one box, Garanimals’s Kid Packs take care of a whole lot of outfit planning. You can find all their fun mix-and-match styles from their new spring collection in Walmart stores and on Walmart.com.  Today’s episode is brought to you by Airbnb: Let's be honest, parenting is expensive. And Dr. Becky hears all the time from parents that there are so many things they want to do that just don't fit into their budget. And it can feel powerless. What else can we do to have some extra cash to show up as the parents we want to be to give our kids the experiences they want? Airbnb is an amazing way to have some extra money for that family vacation, that soccer class, that lunch you want to go out to with your friends. Being an Airbnb host means that you are providing another family an amazing experience because you've created your home with a family in mind. And it's a great way to earn some extra money for all the different things you want to do. Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.com/host (http://airbnb.com/host)

Dr. Becky KennedyhostJonathan Haidtguest
Mar 26, 202457mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

How phones rewired childhood and what parents can do now

  1. Haidt argues teen mental health worsened abruptly around 2013–2015 due to a rapid shift from play-based childhood to phone-based childhood, not a slow generational change.
  2. They emphasize that healthy development is “experience-expectant,” requiring repeated real-world social interaction, independence, and unstructured play—inputs that screens displace.
  3. The conversation details core harms of heavy device use: opportunity cost, social deprivation, sleep loss, attention fragmentation, and behavioral addiction engineered by platform design.
  4. Girls are portrayed as especially vulnerable to social media because it targets relationship needs and insecurities, amplifying social comparison and relational aggression during puberty.
  5. They propose hope through collective action: establish shared norms (delayed smartphones/social media, phone-free schools, more real-world independence) to reduce parent-vs-parent pressure and constant boundary battles.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The shift to smartphones wasn’t gradual; it displaced childhood inputs fast.

Haidt describes 2010–2015 as a rapid transition from limited “communication devices” to always-on smartphones with social media, crowding out sleep, friends, family time, books, and hobbies.

Kids build competence through repeated real-world struggle, not adult-managed comfort.

Both stress that frustration and manageable risk (physical or emotional) produce self-efficacy—“I can do hard things”—which later supports confidence and resilience.

The most “nutritious” play is unsupervised, child-led, and includes manageable risk.

Mixed-age outdoor play where kids make rules, resolve conflicts, and feel thrill/fear safely helps move the brain from “defend mode” to “discover/competent mode.”

Phone-based childhood harms kids partly by stealing time, not just by “bad content.”

The opportunity cost is central: many kids spend hours daily on devices, which directly reduces time for friendships, sleep, deep reading, and sustained thinking.

Sleep and attention are structural vulnerabilities when phones live in pockets and bedrooms.

Devices fuel night checking, notification-driven vigilance, and constant interruption, leaving some kids with little practice doing 30 minutes of uninterrupted thought.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Over the course of five years, childhood was changed from a form in which a human being could develop into a competent, mature adult, to one that is inhospitable to human development.

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Once you take this thing, this thing is an experience blocker.

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The richest kind of experience they can have, the most nutritious, is a few kids... playing together, and the adults are not telling them what to do, and the adults are not resolving the conflicts. Let them play.

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The best thing you can do for your kid is raise him or her to be one who can deal with frustration, 'cause life is gonna be full of frustration.

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We've been overprotecting our children in the real world and underprotecting them online.

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The “Great Rewiring” (2010–2015) and hockey-stick mental health trendsExperience-expectant brain development and childhood as cultural apprenticeshipUnsupervised, mixed-age, risky play and frustration toleranceOverprotecting in the real world vs underprotecting onlineFive harms of phone-based childhood (opportunity cost, social deprivation, sleep, attention, addiction)Gendered impacts: social media and girls’ vulnerabilityCollective action solutions: four proposed norms and Let Grow programs

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