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Biology & Treatments for Compulsive Eating & Behaviors | Dr. Casey Halpern

My guest is Casey Halpern, M.D., Chief of Stereotactic and Functional Neurosurgery and Professor of Neurosurgery at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. Dr. Halpern’s research and clinical practice focus on using deep brain stimulation to treat compulsive and movement disorders—for example, binge eating disorder, bulimia, obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), Parkinson’s disease, essential tremor and dystonia. We discuss using deep brain stimulation to help patients who suffer from movement and compulsive disorders and its application to patients afflicted with binge eating. We also explore the use of this technology for other conditions such as OCD, anorexia and tremor, and examine future therapeutic directions involving non-invasive brain stimulation approaches, including transcranial magnetic stimulation and ultrasound, for the treatment of other psychiatric illnesses and conditions. This episode will interest those curious about the biology of eating, anorexia, bulimia, compulsive thoughts and behaviors and movement. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman ROKA: https://www.roka.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Dr. Casey Halpern Penn Medicine Profile: https://www.pennmedicine.org/providers/profile/casey-halpern Twitter: https://twitter.com/halpernc LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/casey-halpern-a1569749 Responsive Neurostimulation For Loss Of Control Eating (DBSLOC) Study: https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03868670 Articles Pilot study of responsive nucleus accumbens deep brain stimulation for loss-of-control eating: https://go.nature.com/3Sc1ZA1 Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Casey Halpern & Disordered Eating & Brain Stimulation 00:03:18 ROKA, Eight Sleep, InsideTracker 00:07:19 Momentous Supplements 00:08:28 Neurosurgeon’s View of the Brain, Neurosurgery Specialization 00:13:05 Deep Brain Stimulation & Other Unexpected Positive Effects 00:17:20 Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), Prescriptions & Cognitive Therapies 00:25:40 Brain Areas in OCD, Risk, Rewards & Addiction 00:31:11 AG1 (Athletic Greens) 00:32:27 Facial and Vocal Ticks, Stimulants, Stress & Superstition 00:39:28 Nucleus Accumbens, Reward Circuits, Eating Disorders & Obesity 00:47:18 Stimulation of Nucleus Accumbens, Continuous vs. Episodic Stimulation 00:49:49 Binge Eating Disorder & Loss of Control Eating 00:53:02 Developing Binge Eating Disorder: Predisposition, Environment, Stress 01:02:07 Electrodes in Nucleus Accumbens, Identifying “Craving Cells” 01:11:41 Effects of Stimulation, Interrupting Craving, Intermediate Stimulation 01:16:46 Anorexia, Obesity & Compulsions, Potential Treatments for Anorexia 01:23:14 Non-Invasive Brain Stimulation, Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation 01:32:27 MRI-Guided Focused Ultrasound: Tremor, Essential Tremor & Parkinson’s 01:36:40 Future of Non-Invasive Brain Stimulation, Epilepsy & Depression 01:41:51 Pre-Behavioral States in Compulsion & Awareness, Mood Provocation 01:48:02 Machine Learning/Artificial Intelligence & Compulsion Predictions 01:53:05 Neurosurgeon Hands, Resistance Training & Deadlifts 01:59:00 “Neurosurgeon Calm,” Quality Time & Prioritization, Neurosurgeon Training 02:09:53 Daily Habits: Sleep, Exercise, Mediation 02:11:59 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous Supplements, Neural Network Newsletter, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn The Huberman Lab Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions.

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Sep 25, 20222h 14mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Rewiring Cravings: Deep Brain Stimulation for Compulsive Eating Behaviors

  1. Andrew Huberman interviews neurosurgeon and researcher Dr. Casey Halpern about using deep brain stimulation (DBS) and other brain–circuit based tools to treat compulsive eating, OCD, addiction, and movement disorders.
  2. Halpern explains how specific brain circuits, particularly the nucleus accumbens and connected frontal areas, drive loss-of-control behaviors such as binge eating, drug seeking, and compulsive checking.
  3. His lab translates rodent findings into first-in-human trials where implanted devices detect craving-related brain signals in real time and deliver brief, targeted electrical stimulation to interrupt binges.
  4. They also discuss emerging noninvasive approaches like focused ultrasound and TMS, the limits of current pharmacologic and behavioral treatments, and how understanding brain circuitry could inform future therapies for anorexia, depression, and other psychiatric conditions.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

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Compulsive Disorders Share a Core 'Loss-of-Control' Circuit

Halpern emphasizes that OCD, binge eating disorder, certain forms of obesity, and addictions share a common feature: pursuing an urge despite clear risk or negative consequences. Circuits linking frontal control regions (orbitofrontal cortex, prefrontal cortex) with the basal ganglia and ventral striatum (including the nucleus accumbens) appear dysregulated in these conditions. Recognizing them as related 'loss-of-control' disorders may allow one set of circuit-based treatments to generalize across multiple diagnoses.

Nucleus Accumbens is a Hub for Craving, Not Just 'Reward'

The nucleus accumbens integrates inputs from cortical control areas and is crucial for gating reward-seeking and compulsive behavior. High-fat diets, drugs of abuse, and other powerful rewards can 'hijack' its function, making animals and humans persist in seeking rewards despite punishment or risk. Halpern’s lab identifies specific accumbens activity patterns that predict imminent loss-of-control eating and uses that signal as a trigger for intervention.

Responsive, Episodic DBS May Work Better Than Continuous Stimulation

Traditional DBS often delivers constant stimulation, which can lead to tolerance and loss of benefit, as seen in some depression and OCD cases. In mice, Halpern's team found that brief bursts of stimulation delivered only when a pathological accumbens signal appears can block binge episodes and preserve long-term efficacy. His human trial uses implanted devices to detect craving-related signals and automatically trigger 5–10 seconds of stimulation to interrupt the craving → binge cascade.

Binge Eating is Episodic; 'Loss-of-Control Eating' is the More Frequent Target

Clinically defined binge episodes (very large amount of food in a short time with loss of control) typically occur once daily in severe binge eating disorder, a constraint of stomach capacity and diagnostic criteria. However, 'loss-of-control eating' without full binge criteria can occur many times per week—and is likely the more pervasive and relevant behavioral target. Halpern’s work focuses on detecting and disrupting these loss-of-control moments, rather than just counting formal binges.

Obesity is a Phenotype; Only a Subset is Driven by Compulsion

Halpern stresses that not all obesity is due to compulsive overeating. Roughly 20% of people with obesity show clear binge or loss-of-control eating, yet because obesity is so prevalent, this subset still represents a massive clinical problem. His obesity–DBS trial specifically enrolls patients who both have severe loss-of-control eating and have failed gastric bypass, targeting those whose weight problems are tightly linked to disordered reward circuitry rather than purely metabolic or environmental factors.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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The issue is if you have an urge for a reward that either puts you or somebody else at risk, it's probably a reward we shouldn't have.

Dr. Casey Halpern

You have to get into the brain before you get out of it.

Dr. Casey Halpern

We see laughter in the clinic sometimes… that's because we're stimulating parts of the brain that are not just involved in motor circuits, but also in what we call limbic circuits, or parts of the brain involved in emotion.

Dr. Casey Halpern

In a mouse, if you deliver stimulation intermittently, and only when a craving signal is detected, that effect will be the most robust and durable. But if you deliver it continuously, actually the benefit goes away over time.

Dr. Casey Halpern

Obesity is a phenotype… not everybody is obese because of the same thing.

Dr. Casey Halpern

Deep brain stimulation (DBS) and stereotactic neurosurgeryNeural circuits of OCD, compulsive behavior, and loss-of-control eatingNucleus accumbens and reward/impulse circuitryClinical trials for binge eating disorder and obesity using responsive DBSNoninvasive neuromodulation: TMS and focused ultrasoundAnorexia, addiction, and other compulsive disorders as circuit-level problemsTraining, mindset, and stress management in neurosurgeons

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