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Breathing for Mental & Physical Health & Performance | Dr. Jack Feldman

In this episode my guest is Dr. Jack Feldman, Distinguished Professor of Neurobiology at the University of California, Los Angeles and a pioneering world expert in the science of respiration (breathing). We discuss how and why humans breathe the way we do, the function of the diaphragm and how it serves to increase oxygenation of the brain and body. We also explore how breathing influences mental state, fear, memory, reaction time and more. Additionally, we cover specific breathing protocols such as box breathing, cyclic hyperventilation (similar to Wim Hof breathing), nasal versus mouth breathing, unilateral breathing and how each of these affects the brain and body. We examine physiological sighs, peptides expressed by specific neurons controlling breathing and magnesium compounds that can improve cognitive ability and how they work. This conversation serves as a sort of master class on the science of breathing and breathing-related tools for health and performance. For an up-to-date list of our current sponsors, please visit our website: https://www.hubermanlab.com/sponsors. Previous sponsors mentioned in this podcast episode may no longer be affiliated with us. Our Breath Collective: https://www.ourbreathcollective.com/huberman Dr. Jack Feldman Links: UCLA website - https://bioscience.ucla.edu/people/jack-feldman Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_L._Feldman Twitter - https://twitter.com/prebotzinger Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/jacklfeldman Social: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter - https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab Website - https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter - https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introducing Dr. Jack Feldman 00:03:05 Sponsors: Thesis, Athletic Greens, Headspace, Our Breath Collective 00:10:35 Why We Breathe 00:14:35 Neural Control of Breathing: “Pre-Botzinger Complex” 00:16:20 Nose vs Mouth Breathing 00:18:18 Skeletal vs. Smooth Muscles: Diaphragm, Intracostals & Airway Muscles 00:20:11 Two Breathing Oscillators: Pre-Botzinger Complex & Parafacial Nucleus 00:26:20 How We Breathe Is Special (Compared to Non-Mammals) 00:33:40 Stomach & Chest Movements During Breathing 00:36:23 Physiological Sighs, Alveoli Re-Filling, Bombesin 00:49:39 If We Don’t Sigh, Our Lung (& General) Health Suffers 01:00:42 Breathing, Brain States & Emotions 01:05:34 Meditating Mice, Eliminating Fear 01:11:00 Brain States, Amygdala, Locked-In Syndrome, Laughing 01:16:25 Facial Expressions 01:19:00 Locus Coeruleus & Alertness 01:29:40 Breath Holds, Apnea, Episodic Hypoxia, Hypercapnia 01:35:22 Stroke, Muscle Strength, TBI 01:38:08 Cyclic Hyperventilation 01:39:50 Hyperbaric Chambers 01:40:41 Nasal Breathing, Memory, Right vs. Left Nostril 01:44:50 Breathing Coordinates Everything: Reaction Time, Fear, etc. 01:57:13 Dr. Feldman’s Breathwork Protocols, Post-Lunch 02:02:05 Deliberately Variable Breathwork: The Feldman Protocol 02:06:29 Magnesium Threonate & Cognition & Memory 02:18:27 Gratitude for Dr. Feldman’s Highly Impactful Work 02:20:53 Zero-Cost Support, Sponsors, Patreon, Instagram, Twitter, Thorne Please note that The Huberman Lab Podcast is distinct from Dr. Huberman's teaching and research roles at Stanford University School of Medicine. The information provided in this show is not medical advice, nor should it be taken or applied as a replacement for medical advice. The Huberman Lab Podcast, its employees, guests and affiliates assume no liability for the application of the information discussed.

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Jan 9, 20222h 23mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

How Breathing Shapes Brain Function, Emotion, Health, and Performance Daily

  1. Andrew Huberman interviews Dr. Jack Feldman, a pioneering neuroscientist who discovered the brainstem circuits that generate our breathing rhythms. Feldman explains how the mechanics of breathing interface with specialized neural oscillators in the brainstem to produce inspiration, passive and active expiration, sighs, and gasps. He details how breathing patterns influence blood gases, pH, heart function, and—critically—brain state, emotion, and cognition via multiple pathways, including the preBötzinger complex, vagus nerve, and olfactory system. The discussion also covers physiological sighs, episodic hypoxia, breathwork for anxiety and fear reduction, and practical protocols Feldman personally uses, framing breathing as a powerful, zero-cost tool for mental and physical performance.
  2. A major theme is bidirectional control: emotions and higher brain centers shape breathing, but deliberate breathing can in turn reshape emotional state and neural circuits, potentially aiding conditions like anxiety, depression, and age-related cognitive decline. Feldman describes emerging rodent evidence that chronic slow-breathing protocols can reduce fear responses as much as direct amygdala manipulations.
  3. The episode also highlights the underappreciated breadth of breathing-related modulation across the brain: respiratory rhythms are embedded in cortical and subcortical activity, reaction time, fear perception, cardiac rhythms, even pupil size. Feldman argues that different breath practices likely work by transiently disrupting these brain-wide oscillatory circuits, weakening maladaptive loops and allowing healthier patterns to emerge over time.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The preBötzinger complex is the core inspiratory rhythm generator, and a second brainstem oscillator drives active expiration.

Feldman’s lab identified the preBötzinger complex in the brainstem as the small (~thousands of neurons) but essential region that initiates every inspiratory burst. At rest, expiration is passive (elastic recoil), so expiratory motor circuits are silent and were initially missed. Later work revealed a separate expiratory oscillator near the facial nucleus (often termed the parafacial/retrotrapezoid region) that becomes active during behaviors like exercise, forceful exhalation, or gasping. This dual-oscillator architecture underlies flexible breathing patterns for rest, speech, exercise, and emotional expressions (e.g., laughing).

Physiological sighs are vital lung-maintenance breaths occurring roughly every five minutes, not just emotional expressions.

We unconsciously sigh about every 5 minutes—far more often than most people realize. Tiny, fluid-lined alveoli (4–500 million in humans) tend to collapse due to surface tension; normal breaths cannot reliably reopen them. Intermittent large breaths (sighs) pop collapsed alveoli open, preserving lung surface area (~70 m², about a third of a tennis court) for gas exchange. Clinical ventilator data and Feldman’s rat experiments (where peptide manipulation in the preBötzinger complex massively altered sigh rate) show that disrupting sigh generation leads to deteriorating lung function and can be fatal.

Breathing is deeply intertwined with emotion and cognition via multiple ascending and descending pathways.

Emotion and volition shape breathing (e.g., stress, laughter, speech) via descending inputs from structures like the amygdala and motor cortex. Conversely, breathing impacts brain state through: (1) direct preBötzinger projections to the locus coeruleus (a noradrenergic arousal hub, as shown by Yakel et al.), (2) rhythmic sensory input from nasal airflow into the olfactory bulb and onward, (3) vagus nerve feedback from lungs and viscera, and (4) CO₂/pH-dependent modulation of chemosensitive brain regions. Feldman highlights that lesions causing locked-in syndrome abolish voluntary control of breathing but preserve emotion-driven breathing changes (e.g., laughter), showing distinct neural routes.

Slow, controlled breathing can measurably reduce fear and anxiety by disrupting maladaptive neural oscillations.

Feldman’s group developed a protocol that slowed awake mice’s breathing rate by ~10x for 30 minutes/day over four weeks. Compared to controls, these mice showed dramatically reduced freezing in standard fear-conditioning tests—effects comparable to direct amygdala manipulations (per collaborator Michael Fanselow). Feldman hypothesizes that breathwork perturbs ongoing oscillatory circuits underlying mood/fear, weakening pathological loops (similar in principle to ECT or deep brain stimulation, but milder and behaviorally induced). Even single deep breaths or short box-breathing sessions can acutely calm nervousness before stressful events.

CO₂ levels and episodic hypoxia strongly shape breathing and may enhance motor and cognitive performance.

Breathing tightly regulates CO₂, which strongly influences blood/brain pH and drive to breathe. Chronic low CO₂ from hyperventilation is linked to anxiety; therapeutic training to normalize CO₂ (via slower breathing) reduces anxiety in clinical work (e.g., Alicia Meuret’s studies). Separately, “episodic hypoxia” (brief, repeated exposures to low oxygen with normal CO₂) in humans leads to lasting increases in ventilation and can improve motor output—e.g., stroke patients showing stronger ankle extension after hypoxic bouts (Gordon Mitchell’s work). Feldman notes this may someday be harnessed for rehab, athletic performance, or cognitive enhancement, though safe dosing and protocols are still under investigation.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Breathing is one of those oscillators that, for life, has to be working continuously, 24/7… if it stops, beyond a few minutes it will likely be fatal.

Dr. Jack Feldman

We sigh about every five minutes… and you can’t stop it. It just happens.

Dr. Jack Feldman

My mice don’t believe in the placebo effect.

Dr. Jack Feldman

You can’t do anything interesting if you’re afraid of failing.

Dr. Jack Feldman

I think there’s a lot of value to human health here, and I just hope we can get serious neuroscientists and psychologists to do the right experiments.

Dr. Jack Feldman

Neural control of breathing: preBötzinger complex and expiratory oscillatorMechanics of breathing, diaphragm function, and lung architecturePhysiological sighs: function, neural control, and health relevanceBreathing, blood gases (O₂/CO₂), pH, and brain-body regulationBreathwork, slow breathing, and emotional/cognitive modulationEpisodic hypoxia and its effects on motor and cognitive performanceMagnesium threonate and neuroplasticity / cognitive aging

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