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Fajgenbaum survived Castleman disease on a repurposed drug from his local pharmacy; now AI is scanning all FDA-approved generics for overlooked cancer cures.

Dr. David FajgenbaumguestAndrew Hubermanhost
Nov 2, 20251h 58mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Old Drugs, New Cures: Repurposing Medicines To Save Overlooked Lives

  1. This episode features physician-scientist Dr. David Fajgenbaum, who nearly died multiple times from Castleman disease before identifying an existing drug, sirolimus/rapamycin, that put him into long-term remission. His experience exposed a major blind spot in medicine: thousands of FDA‑approved drugs affect many biological pathways but are only formally used for a small fraction of diseases they could help.
  2. Fajgenbaum describes how he built a lab and the nonprofit Every Cure to systematically scan all approved drugs against all known diseases, using AI and global biomedical data to find the most promising repurposing opportunities. He shares concrete examples where cheap, generic drugs have dramatically improved or saved lives in cancers, rare diseases, and cardiovascular disease but remain underused because of patent, economic, and information barriers.
  3. The conversation also explores how patients and families can self‑advocate—connecting with disease organizations, seeking true experts, and asking informed questions about off‑label or repurposed treatments—while balancing innovation with safety. Underneath the science is a story about agency, systems-level failure, and the psychological circuitry of hope, action, and impact that kept Fajgenbaum alive and is now driving a global effort to match every effective drug to every patient who could benefit.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Thousands of existing drugs likely have powerful, untapped uses for other diseases.

There are roughly 4,000 FDA‑approved drugs for about 4,000 diseases, but ~18,000 human diseases exist and most drugs act on 20–30 targets or pathways, not just the one they’re approved for. Because 80% of these drugs are now generic and no longer profitable to develop, almost no one is systematically looking for new indications. This creates a massive missed opportunity where effective treatments sit unrecognized on pharmacy shelves while patients are told their diseases are ‘untreatable’.

Economic and structural incentives, not malice, are the main reason repurposed treatments are overlooked.

Once a drug goes off patent, no single company has sufficient financial incentive to invest in large trials, guideline lobbying, and physician education for new uses. Findings like lidocaine injection around breast tumors reducing mortality ~29% at five years (large RCT in India) or aspirin lowering colon cancer recurrence in certain genotypes remain poorly implemented. It isn’t that companies are hiding these drugs; the system simply doesn’t reward anyone for doing the hard push once profit margins are pennies per dose.

Every Cure is building an AI-driven, system-level approach to drug repurposing.

Rather than hunting disease by disease, Every Cure builds biomedical knowledge graphs and machine learning models to score how likely every drug is to help every disease. They then triage the highest‑ranking pairs for lab work, clinical data mining, and, where justified, clinical trials. This has already yielded nine active programs and 14 repurposed drug successes (e.g., sirolimus for Castleman disease, PD‑1 inhibitors for angiosarcoma, DFMO for Bachmann‑Bupp syndrome, TNF inhibitors for DADA2). The aim is a “master list” of validated new uses that can be pushed into practice ahead of crisis moments.

Patients and families must actively self‑advocate, especially in rare or severe illness.

Fajgenbaum stresses three concrete steps: (1) connect with the disease-specific organization (e.g., Castleman Disease Collaborative Network, ALS Association, Michael J. Fox Foundation) which often aggregates global treatment experiments; (2) identify and, if possible, see the true world expert for the condition; (3) ask structured questions such as, “What are the standard options? Are any drugs being used elsewhere or off‑label? Is there emerging evidence for other treatments?” In some cases, simple PubMed searches have uncovered life‑saving options that were sitting untried for years.

N-of-1 repurposing can save lives but must be handled carefully to avoid harm.

Many of Fajgenbaum’s and Every Cure’s early wins were Hail Mary off‑label tries—e.g., PD‑1 inhibitors for angiosarcoma based on one 2013 paper, myeloma drugs for POEMS syndrome, or high‑dose sirolimus for his own Castleman disease. These successes prove the concept but also highlight risk: off‑label drugs can cause serious side effects or death, and a single bad outcome can set back entire therapeutic areas. Thus, Every Cure emphasizes rigorous evidence review, mechanistic plausibility, and physician-patient decision-making rather than speculative one-off experiments.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

You can't tell me we’ve tried all 4,000 drugs. We've just tried the drugs that maybe we've thought to try.

Dr. David Fajgenbaum

I just believe that the 4,000 drugs we have today should help all the patients who can benefit from them. Period.

Dr. David Fajgenbaum

No one should suffer if there's a drug at your CVS that could help you.

Dr. David Fajgenbaum

There isn’t a workshop of scientists and doctors sitting together to figure out solutions. And if they are, it’s not at the pace you’d hoped.

Dr. David Fajgenbaum

You can do anything for one minute, or one hour, or one day—but you can’t do six months all at once.

Dr. David Fajgenbaum

Drug repurposing and the Every Cure initiativeCastleman disease and Fajgenbaum’s near-death medical journeyStructural blind spots in medicine, pharma, and the patent systemExamples of old drugs used in new ways (aspirin, lidocaine, TNF inhibitors, rapamycin, etc.)How patients and families can effectively self‑advocate in serious illnessAI and knowledge graphs for mapping drug–disease relationshipsPsychological and neural basis of hope, agency, and perseverance in illness

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