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How to Access Your Creativity | Rick Rubin

My guest is Rick Rubin, one of the most renowned music producers of all time, known for his work with a wide range of artists, including Run DMC, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jay-Z, Adele, Johnny Cash, LL Cool J, Slayer, Neil Young, Ye (formerly Kanye West), Tom Petty and many more. He is also the author of a new book, "The Creative Act: A Way of Being," which explores the creative process and how to access creativity. We discuss topics such as finding inspiration, the role of feelings as guideposts, learning from observing nature, balancing self-doubt and anxiety and adopting new perspectives to channel the creative process. Rick also shares his thoughts on using deadlines, eliminating distractions and how our experiences and emotions influence the creative process. Additionally, we discuss his love for professional wrestling. Our conversation can be applied to any activity or profession to access creativity. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman Maui Nui: https://mauinuivenison.com/huberman Thesis: https://takethesis.com/huberman WHOOP: https://join.whoop.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman Huberman Lab Premium https://hubermanlab.com/premium Huberman Lab Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Rick Rubin The Creative Act: A Way of Being: https://amzn.to/3QFEuj9 Website: https://tetragrammaton.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/RickRubin Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rickrubin Other Resources Monroe Institute Meditations: https://www.monroeinstitute.org/products/the-surgical-support-series Timestamps 00:00:00 Rick Rubin 00:04:08 Maui Nui Venison, Thesis, WHOOP, Momentous 00:08:23 Creativity & Ideas, Cloud Analogy 00:12:26 Language & Creativity; Kids 00:17:36 Feelings & Creative Ideas 00:22:01 Rules, Choice & Art; Personal Taste & Other’s Opinions 00:30:20 Changing Perspective & Creativity 00:33:55 AG1 (Athletic Greens) 00:35:04 Scientific Knowledge; Opinions & Art 00:41:27 Finishing Projects; The Source & Nature 00:47:40 Perception Filters, Contrast & Novelty 00:58:42 Music & Identity, Evolving Tastes 01:03:03 InsideTracker 01:04:14 Focus, Disengaging & Subconscious; Anxiety 01:13:22 Collaboration, Art & Rigorous Work 01:18:26 Process & “Cloud”; Perception & Storytelling 01:29:13 Limited Resolution, Considering the Inverse 01:35:38 Wrestling, Energy & Reality; Dopamine 01:49:43 Wrestling, Style & Performance 01:52:40 Resetting Energy & Nature; Nostalgia 02:01:56 Sleep, Waking Up & Sunlight, Capturing Ideas 02:08:16 Creative Work Phases; Structure & Deadlines 02:15:32 Self-Doubt & Performance 02:19:13 Predictability & Surprise, Authenticity 02:25:02 Past Experiences, Other’s Opinions 02:29:42 Public Opinion & Science: Light, Acupuncture & Nutrition 02:39:44 “Look for Clues”, Belief Effects 02:46:25 Attention, Emotion & Art 02:48:07 Mantra Meditation, Awareness Meditation 02:57:33 Rick Rubin Questions, Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter The Huberman Lab podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions.

Andrew HubermanhostRick Rubinguest
Jan 15, 20233h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Rick Rubin Reveals How Anyone Can Access Deep Creative Source

  1. Andrew Huberman and legendary producer Rick Rubin explore creativity as a universal human capacity, not a talent reserved for a few. Rubin frames ideas as clouds or gifts on a conveyor belt that pass through us from a larger “source” that includes nature, subconscious processes, and the external world. They dissect how to sense when real creative energy is present, how to separate it from external validation, and how to work through self‑doubt without letting it paralyze you. Rubin also shares concrete practices—attention training, environment design, phased workflows, and meditation—that help anyone reliably access and shape creative work.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Creativity is a relationship with an external ‘source,’ not a solo mental act.

Rubin rejects the idea that creativity lives only inside our heads. He likens ideas to clouds and gifts on a conveyor belt that pass by continuously. Our job is to be an attentive antenna—notice what appears, feel which ideas have energy, and be willing to grab and open them. This shifts the pressure from “I must invent something” to “I must be present and receptive,” which dramatically reduces performance anxiety and increases output.

Use your body and feelings—not social feedback—as your primary creative compass.

Rubin repeatedly emphasizes that the key signal in creative work is how the work feels in your body: a surge of energy, curiosity, or a sense of “leaning forward.” He contrasts this with tailoring work to what might do well on social media or please others. Practically, this means comparing options the way you’d taste two dishes and ask, “Which do I genuinely want to keep eating?” Then adjust (add salt, remove salt) based on that internal response, not projected audience reaction.

Limitations and rules can enhance creativity by forcing novel solutions.

Infinite choice is not helpful. Rubin suggests intentionally constraining a palette (e.g., only red and green in a painting, only certain sounds or instruments in music) to prevent paralysis and surface new combinations of familiar elements. These self‑imposed rules are scaffolding, not cages; they’re designed to be chipped away once they’ve revealed something interesting. Creatives can periodically change or discard their rules to avoid getting trapped in “this is how I always do it.”

Separate the phases of creative work—and only use deadlines at the right stage.

Rubin describes four overlapping phases: (1) seed collecting (ongoing, curiosity‑driven intake of ideas and influences), (2) experimentation (playing with seeds to see what they want to become), (3) crafting (shaping viable material using skills and taste), and (4) completion (final editing and sign‑off). He now recognizes that experimentation must not be deadline‑driven, but once you’re deep into crafting and can see the end, a deadline can help you finish. He recommends keeping deadlines internal so they can be broken if a better idea emerges.

Self‑doubt can be an asset—if you use it to refine, not to quit.

Rubin argues that self‑doubt lives in everyone and is not something to eradicate. Used well, it’s a quality‑control mechanism that pushes you to ask, “Is this really the best it can be?” rather than settle for, “I made it, so it’s good.” The danger is letting doubt stop you from making anything. The healthy stance: maintain belief that you can make something great, but allow doubt to help you push past first drafts and obvious solutions.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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Language is insufficient to drill down on creativity. It’s closer to magic than it is science.

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Kids are open and they have no baggage… they don't know how things are supposed to work.

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Most creativity can be boiled down to this: when you have two choices, you know which one you like better.

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We don't know anything. Everything we know is made up. Maybe it's true.

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Pro wrestling is closer to reality than anything else we can watch… Wrestling’s real and the world’s fake.

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Nature and definition of creativity (source, clouds, conveyor belt, abstraction)Attention, bodily signals, and how to recognize real creative momentsChildren, rules, and how learning can undermine originalityProcess and workflow: seed collecting, experimentation, crafting, completionSelf‑doubt, belief, and ignoring external validation in creative workEnvironment, nature, and liminal states (wrestling, ocean, meditation, sleep)Challenging assumptions: science, knowledge, and considering the opposite

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