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How to Achieve True Happiness Using Science-Based Protocols | Dr. Laurie Santos

In this episode, my guest is Dr. Laurie Santos, Ph.D., a professor of psychology and cognitive science at Yale University and a leading researcher on happiness and fulfillment. We discuss what truly increases happiness, examining factors such as money, social comparison, free time, alone time versus time spent with others, pets, and the surprising positive impact of negative visualizations. We also explore common myths and truths about introverts and extroverts, the science of motivation, and how to adjust your hedonic set point to experience significantly more joy in daily life. Throughout the episode, Dr. Santos shares science-supported strategies for enhancing emotional well-being and cultivating a deeper sense of meaning and happiness. Read the full show notes: https://go.hubermanlab.com/KGcG0Cq *Thank you to our sponsors* AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman David: https://davidprotein.com/huberman *Huberman Lab* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://www.hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://www.hubermanlab.com/newsletter Huberman Lab Premium: https://go.hubermanlab.com/premium Huberman Lab Merch: https://go.hubermanlab.com/merch *Dr. Laurie Santos* Website: https://www.drlauriesantos.com Yale academicpProfile: https://psychology.yale.edu/people/laurie-santos The Happiness Lab: https://www.drlauriesantos.com/happiness-lab-with-dr-laurie-santos-podcast The Science of Well-Being (Coursera): https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being Publications: https://caplab.yale.edu/publications Newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/pushkin/the-happiness-lab-newsletter-sign-up YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFfUSTVKFCfXl6PVyG08zxg TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drlauriesantos Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrLaurieSantos X: https://x.com/lauriesantos Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lauriesantosofficial LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurie-santos Threads: https://www.threads.net/@lauriesantosofficial *Timestamps* 00:00:00 Dr. Laurie Santos 00:02:52 Sponsors: Eight Sleep & Express VPN 00:06:00 Happiness, Emotion & Cognition; Emotional Contagion 00:11:18 Extrinsic vs. Intrinsic Rewards 00:14:43 Money, Comparison & Happiness 00:21:39 Tool: Increase Social Connection; Real-Time Communication 00:32:16 Sponsor: AG1 00:33:47 Technology, Information, Social Interaction 00:39:22 Loneliness, Youth, Technology 00:42:16 Cravings, Sustainable Actions, Dopamine 00:47:01 Social Connection & Predictions; Introverts & Extroverts 00:57:22 Sponsors: Function & LMNT 01:00:41 Social Connection & Frequency; Tools: Fun; “Presence” & Technology 01:07:53 Technology & Negative Effects; Tool: Senses & Grounding; Podcasts 01:15:11 Negativity Bias, Gratitude, Tool: “Delight” Practice & Shifting Emotions 01:25:01 Sponsor: David 01:26:17 Importance of Negative Emotions; Judgements about Happiness 01:34:16 Happiness & Cultural Differences, Tool: Focus on Small Pleasures 01:41:00 Dogs, Monkeys & Brain, “Monkey Mind” 01:47:40 Monkeys, Perspective, Planning 01:53:58 Dogs, Cats, Dingos; Pets & Happiness 02:00:49 Time Famish; Tools: Time Affluence Breaks; Time Confetti & Free Time 02:07:46 Hedonic Adaptation; Tool: Spacing Happy Experiences 02:15:27 Contrast, Comparison & Happiness; Tool: Bronze Lining, Negative Visualization 02:24:08 Visualization, Bannister Effect; Tool: Imagine Obstacles 02:29:12 Culture; Arrival Fallacy, Tool: Journey Mindset 02:37:11 Mortality, Memento Mori, Tool: Fleeting Experiences & Contrast 02:44:33 Awe 02:48:15 Timescales; Community Engagement & Signature Strengths; Tool: Job Crafting 02:56:55 Strength Date, Leisure Time; Tool: Doing for Others, Feel Good Do Good 03:01:42 Tool: Asking for Help 03:05:32 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Social Media, Protocols Book, Neural Network Newsletter #HubermanLab #Science Disclaimer & Disclosures: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostDr. Laurie Santosguest
Dec 22, 20243h 8mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Science-Backed Habits That Build Real Happiness, Not Quick Dopamine Hits

  1. Andrew Huberman and Yale psychologist Dr. Laurie Santos unpack the science of happiness, distinguishing between being happy *in* your life (day‑to‑day feelings) and happy *with* your life (meaning, purpose, and evaluation).
  2. They review research on money, social connection, phones and social media, hedonic adaptation, and how our predictions about what will make us happy are often wrong.
  3. Dr. Santos details specific behavioral and cognitive practices—like real-time social connection, “delight” spotting, volunteering, and using your character strengths—that reliably increase well-being.
  4. They also explore why negative emotions and contrast (loss, effort, scarcity, even imagining bad outcomes) are essential ingredients for lasting happiness rather than problems to be eliminated.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Happiness has two components—feelings *in* your life and evaluation *of* your life—and both matter.

Psychologists define happiness (subjective well-being) as a mix of affective experience (more positive than negative emotion) and cognitive judgment (how satisfied and purposeful you feel). Many high-achieving people may have pleasant daily experiences yet feel dissatisfied when they assess their life, or vice versa. Effective happiness strategies must target both levels: improving daily emotional states and aligning life with values and meaning.

Money boosts happiness only up to a modest threshold; beyond that, behavior and mindset matter more.

Classic and newer data show that increasing income from very low levels to a reasonable, secure level (roughly the modern equivalent of ~$75k–$125k in the US, depending on context) significantly improves well-being. But beyond that range, each extra dollar yields very small gains compared to behaviors like getting more sleep, exercising, or practicing gratitude. Rich individuals often stay stressed and unhappy because they compare themselves upward and keep shifting their happiness target instead of revising the flawed belief that “more money will finally make me happy.”

Real-time social connection is one of the most powerful, underused happiness levers.

Daily data and experiments (e.g., paying people to talk to strangers on trains or at coffee shops) show that time with friends, family, and even brief conversations with strangers reliably increase positive emotion and reduce loneliness—for introverts and extroverts. People systematically underestimate how good these interactions will feel (especially introverts), so they don’t seek them out. Scheduling at least one extra real-time interaction per week—by phone, video, or in person—can substantially improve mood and life satisfaction, especially if phones are out of sight.

Phones and fragmented digital engagement silently erode presence, learning, and social connection.

Simply having your phone in the room drains cognitive resources; experiments show double‑digit performance drops on math and learning tasks when the phone is nearby versus in another room. In social settings, visible phones reduce smiling and spontaneous interaction (about 30% less smiling in waiting rooms). Texting and scrolling provide a “NutraSweet” version of connection—enough stimulation to feel social but not enough to nutritionally satisfy our brains’ need for in‑real‑time, face‑to‑face (or at least voice‑to‑voice) interaction. Intentionally studying and socializing without the phone in sight is a high-yield change.

Our minds systematically mispredict what will make us happy, leading us to chase the wrong goals.

We overvalue extrinsic rewards (money, accolades, status) and quick dopamine hits, and undervalue practices that actually move the happiness needle, like social connection, sleep, exercise, and expressing gratitude or delight. We also underestimate how much we’ll enjoy talking to others, helping people, or using our strengths. Recognizing these prediction errors—and deliberately testing “small experiments” (e.g., call a friend, compliment someone, give a small gift)—helps recalibrate our internal compass toward habits that truly increase well-being.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

Social scientists tend to think about happiness as being happy *in* your life and being happy *with* your life.

Dr. Laurie Santos

It’s much less about our circumstances than we think when it comes to who's happy and who's not.

Dr. Laurie Santos

We’re kind of extrinsicizing all the rewards to the point that we’re not getting to internal happiness.

Dr. Laurie Santos

Phones are like the NutraSweet of social connection… it kind of fakes you out, but it doesn’t really work.

Dr. Laurie Santos

The worst thing possible could happen to you, and you have all these processes that are just going to get used to it over time.

Dr. Laurie Santos

Definitions of happiness: emotion vs. cognition, “in” vs. “with” your lifeMoney, time affluence, and the limits of wealth for happinessSocial connection, loneliness, and the impact of phones and social mediaHedonic adaptation, contrast, and the role of negative emotionsBehavioral and cognitive tools: delight, gratitude, manifesting vs. obstacle planningPersonality (introverts/extroverts) and mispredictions about socializingPurpose, character strengths, and finding meaning in work and leisure

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