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How to Safeguard Your Hormone Health & Fertility | Dr. Shanna Swan

In this episode, my guest is Dr. Shanna Swan, Ph.D., professor of environmental medicine and reproductive health at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine. Dr. Swan is the world’s leading expert on the harmful impact of chemicals in our food, water, cosmetics, and various household and consumer products on our hormones, and the consequences for fertility and overall reproductive health. She explains how exposure to phthalates and other endocrine disruptors adversely impacts fetal development, puberty, and the adult brain and body. We discuss the global decline in human fertility due to disruptive environmental toxins, such as pesticides, and certain foods and beverages we consume. We discuss practical strategies to minimize exposure to harmful chemicals, such as phthalates, bisphenol A (BPA), BPS, and PFAS. This includes reducing disposable plastic use, making healthier food preparation, consumption, and storage choices, and selecting personal and household products that don’t contain harmful toxins. This episode allows you to assess your risk of exposure to endocrine disruptors accurately and empowers you to take control of your hormone health and fertility. Access the full show notes for this episode, including referenced articles, resources, and people mentioned: https://go.hubermanlab.com/wJEWPYC Use Ask Huberman Lab, our chat-based tool, for summaries, clips, and insights from this episode: https://go.hubermanlab.com/uyYEsaS Pre-order Andrew's new book, Protocols: https://go.hubermanlab.com/protocols *Thank you to our sponsors* AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman ROKA: https://roka.com/huberman BetterHelp: https://betterhelp.com/huberman Function: https://functionhealth.com/huberman *Dr. Shanna Swan* Website: https://www.shannaswan.com Academic Profile: https://profiles.mountsinai.org/shanna-h-swan Count Down (book): https://amzn.to/4fsvRDC Resources: https://www.shannaswan.com/resources Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drshannaswan X: https://x.com/DrShannaSwan LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanna-swan-phd-339a4258 *Timestamps* 00:00:00 Dr. Shanna Swan 00:02:58 Sponsors: LMNT, ROKA & BetterHelp 00:06:49 Environmental Chemicals, Fertility, Hormones, Phthalates 00:13:30 Phthalate Syndrome, Animal Data, Male Offspring 00:19:11 Phthalate Syndrome in Humans, Pregnancy & Babies 00:27:30 Hyenas; Phthalate Syndrome in Males 00:32:49 Sponsor: AG1 00:34:22 Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS), Mothers & Female Offspring 00:39:03 Anogenital Distance & Sperm Count 00:45:03 Sperm Count & Fertility 00:49:24 Sponsor: Function 00:51:11 Sperm Count Decline 00:58:19 Sperm Quality & Pesticides 01:04:12 Atrazine, Amphibians, Sexual Dimorphism, Behavior 01:09:00 Preschoolers, Phthalate Exposure, Sexually Dimorphic Behaviors 01:14:08 Tools: Lowering Exposure to Endocrine Disruptors, Fertility 01:24:52 Tools: BPA, BPS, BPF & Can Linings; Drinkware; Plastics & Microwave 01:30:07 Tools: Buying Organic; Skin Products, Fragrance; Sunscreens, Consumer Guides 01:32:58 Funding 01:34:31 Tools: Distilling Water, Shoes, Clothing, Food Sourcing; Building Materials 01:40:12 Europe vs. US Chemical Safety, REACH Program 01:46:20 Tool: Pregnancy & Fetal Health 01:49:23 Plastics & Environmental Concern; Fertility 01:55:26 Sperm Quality, Fertility, Cell Phone, Temperature 01:58:04 Other Animals & Fertility Decline, Ecosystems 02:01:58 Advancing Technologies, Fertility, Offspring & Adverse Effects 02:06:02 Tool: Consumer Guides, Personal & Household Products 02:09:39 Tool: Receipts; Thyroid System; Non-Stick Pans 02:15:18 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter #HubermanLab #Science #Microplastics #Fertility #HormoneHealth Disclaimer: https://www.hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostDr. Shanna Swanguest
Nov 3, 20242h 18mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Everyday Toxins Quietly Crippling Fertility, Hormones, And Future Generations

  1. Andrew Huberman interviews reproductive epidemiologist Dr. Shanna Swan about how man‑made chemicals—especially endocrine disruptors in plastics, personal care products, food packaging, and pesticides—are lowering sperm counts, disrupting hormones, and impairing fertility in both sexes.
  2. Swan explains the evidence that sperm counts have dropped by roughly 50% in the last 50 years, that boys’ genital development is measurably changing, and that girls’ hormonal development and ovarian function are being altered, largely through prenatal exposure.
  3. Key culprits include phthalates, bisphenols (BPA, BPS, BPF), PFAS, and certain pesticides, which act as anti‑androgens or estrogens and are present in everyday items: fragranced products, plastics, cans, non‑stick pans, cosmetics, and more.
  4. Despite the sobering data, Swan emphasizes practical agency: targeted changes in food, water, cookware, packaging, and personal/household products can meaningfully reduce exposure, especially for people planning pregnancy and during pregnancy.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Sperm counts have fallen roughly 50% in ~50 years, and low counts do impair fertility.

By re‑analyzing and expanding prior datasets (over 60+ studies), Swan confirmed a robust downward trend in sperm counts across decades that could not be explained by measurement methods, smoking, obesity, or other confounders. Conception probability rises steeply with sperm concentration up to about 45–50 million/mL, then plateaus around 75–100 million/mL. Below ~45 million/mL, sperm count matters a lot for time‑to‑pregnancy; above that, more sperm does not improve fertility.

Phthalates in pregnancy alter male genital development in humans, mirroring the ‘phthalate syndrome’ first shown in rats.

In rats, maternal exposure to specific phthalates during a narrow “male programming window” causes incomplete masculinization: smaller penis, undescended testes, and a shortened anogenital distance (AGD). Using stored urine from pregnant women and detailed genital measurements in their infants, Swan replicated these findings in humans: higher levels of the most anti‑androgenic phthalates (DEHP, DBP, BBzP) in maternal urine are associated with shorter AGD, smaller penis and scrotum, and less testicular descent in male infants.

Anogenital distance (AGD) is a lifelong marker of prenatal androgen exposure and predicts male fertility.

AGD is sexually dimorphic in mammals (50–100% longer in males) and is set by androgen action in early gestation; animal data suggest “AGD is forever” when adjusted for body size. Swan’s work in young men showed that longer AGD correlates with higher sperm counts, and separate work (Eisenberg) found that men who had fathered children had longer AGD than infertile men. Thus, adult AGD can be viewed as a non‑invasive readout of how well masculinization occurred in utero and is functionally tied to sperm production.

Endocrine disruptors also masculinize females or feminize males behaviorally and physiologically.

In girls, daughters of women with PCOS (a high‑androgen condition) show more male‑typical AGD, indicating prenatal androgen exposure. In boys, higher prenatal phthalate levels are linked to less male‑typical play (less rough‑and‑tumble, more interest in traditionally “feminine” toys) at ~4 years old, even after controlling for siblings’ sex and parental attitudes. In frogs, atrazine exposure has produced males that attempt to mate with males, highlighting that sex‑typical brain and behavior circuits are also vulnerable to environmental hormones.

Key exposure sources you can control are food, drink, plastics, fragrances, and cookware.

High‑impact, modifiable sources include: (1) food contact with plastics (storage, wrapping, reheating in plastic, especially when heated), (2) canned foods and drinks (BPA/BPS/BPF can linings), (3) fragranced products (phthalates in perfumes, soaps, shampoos, lotions, air fresheners, detergents), (4) non‑stick pans (PFAS), and (5) dust and treated textiles (PFAS, flame retardants in clothing, furniture, building materials). Glass, steel, ceramic, bulk/loose produce, fragrance‑free and safer‑rated products (e.g., via Environmental Working Group) are concrete alternatives.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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Whatever happened in the womb stays in the womb.

Dr. Shanna Swan

We replicated the phthalate syndrome in human males.

Dr. Shanna Swan

If you can smell it, it’s probably affecting your hormones.

Dr. Shanna Swan

Sperm count is declining, and it’s not genetics. It’s happening too fast.

Dr. Shanna Swan

Plastic is really a bad actor, but it’s not the only bad actor.

Dr. Shanna Swan

Endocrine-disrupting chemicals (phthalates, bisphenols, PFAS, pesticides)Sperm count decline and male reproductive development (AGD, phthalate syndrome)Female hormone disruption, PCOS, puberty timing, and ovarian agingCritical prenatal windows and multi‑generational effects of exposureEveryday exposure sources: food, water, plastics, fragrances, household productsRegulation differences (US vs. EU) and limits of current safety systemsPractical strategies to reduce exposure and support fertility

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