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Journal Club with Dr. Peter Attia | Metformin for Longevity & The Power of Belief Effects

In this journal club episode, my guest is Stanford and Johns Hopkins-trained physician, Dr. Peter Attia, M.D., who is also the host of The Drive podcast and the author of the bestselling book "Outlive: The Science & Art of Longevity." We each present a scientific paper and discuss the findings' strengths, weaknesses and actionable takeaways. First, we discuss an article that addresses whether taking the drug metformin can enhance longevity. Then, we discuss an article on belief effects (similar to placebo effects), showing how the effects of a drug on the brain and cognition depend on one's belief about the dose of the drug taken, not the actual dose. Our conversation also highlights how to read, interpret and critique scientific studies. This episode ought to be of interest to those curious about health and longevity, medicine and psychology and for anyone seeking to better understand how to read and digest scientific findings. #HubermanLab #Science Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Helix Sleep: https://helixsleep.com/huberman Levels: https://levels.link/huberman InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/huberman Momentous: https://livemomentous.com/huberman Huberman Lab Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Threads: https://www.threads.net/@hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Dr. Peter Attia Website: https://peterattiamd.com Outlive: The Science & Art of Longevity: https://peterattiamd.com/outlive The Peter Attia Drive Podcast: https://peterattiamd.com/podcast Newsletter: https://peterattiamd.com/newsletter X (formerly Twitter): https://twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peterattiamd YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/PeterAttiaMD Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/peterattiamd Articles Reassessing the evidence of a survival advantage in Type 2 diabetes treated with metformin compared with controls without diabetes: a retrospective cohort study: https://bit.ly/3EypTAJ The Hallmarks of Aging: https://bit.ly/3ZeqnFI Can people with type 2 diabetes live longer than those without? A comparison of mortality in people initiated with metformin or sulphonylurea monotherapy and matched, non-diabetic controls: https://bit.ly/3Lespjp A thalamic circuit represents dose-like responses induced by nicotine-related beliefs in human smokers: https://bit.ly/3LiAaEX Other Resources TAME (Targeting Aging with Metformin) Trial: https://bit.ly/3P7eMDI Interventions Testing Program (ITP): https://bit.ly/3EDtmOg Slow-Carb Diet (Tim Ferris): https://bit.ly/462q6YD Dr. Alia Crum: Science of Mindsets for Health & Performance (Huberman Lab episode): https://bit.ly/3PdbKhd Nicotine’s Effects on the Brain & Body & How to Quit Smoking or Vaping (Huberman Lab episode): https://bit.ly/3PkGopc Adderall, Stimulants & Modafinil for ADHD: Short- & Long-Term Effects (Huberman Lab episode): https://bit.ly/3Pg7jT3 Neural correlates of interspecies perspective taking in the post-mortem Atlantic Salmon: an argument for multiple comparisons correction (Dead salmon study): https://bit.ly/3PvJvf9 Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Peter Attia, Journal Club 00:03:27 Sponsors: Helix Sleep & Levels 00:06:11 Dreams 00:12:36 Article #1, Metformin, Mitochondria, Blood Glucose 00:19:47 Type 2 Diabetes & Causes, Insulin Resistance 00:25:30 Type 2 Diabetes Medications, Metformin, Geroprotection, Bannister Study 00:36:19 Sponsor: AG1 00:37:15 TAME Trial; Demographics, Twin Cohort 00:44:27 Metformin & Mortality Rate 00:51:28 Kaplan-Meier Mortality Curve, Error Bars & Significance, Statistical Power 01:01:17 Sponsor: InsideTracker 01:02:23 Hazard Ratios, Censoring 01:09:00 Metformin Advantage?, Variables, Interventions Testing Program 01:16:02 Berberine, Acarbose, SGLT2 Inhibitors 01:23:48 Blood Glucose & Energy Balance; Caloric Restriction, Aging Biomarkers 01:32:22 Tool: Reading Journal Articles, 4 Questions, Supplemental Information 01:38:10 Article #2, Belief Effects vs. Placebo Effect 01:45:22 Nicotine Effects 01:51:07 Nicotine Doses & Belief Effects, fMRI Scan 02:00:07 Biological Effects, Dose-Dependent Response & Belief Effects 02:05:14 Biology & Beliefs, Significance, Dopamine Response, Non-Smokers 02:10:57 Dose-Dependence & Beliefs, Side Effects, Nocebo Effect 02:19:06 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous, Neural Network Newsletter, Social Media Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac - https://www.blabacphoto.com Disclaimer: https://hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

Andrew HubermanhostPeter AttiaguestGuest (unidentified, brief interjection)guest
Sep 10, 20232h 21mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Metformin Myths, Nicotine Beliefs: Attia & Huberman Redefine Longevity Science

  1. Andrew Huberman and Peter Attia host a live ‘journal club’ to dissect two papers: a large epidemiological reassessment of metformin and a human neuroimaging study on belief‑driven nicotine effects.
  2. Attia walks through how the new Danish registry data challenge a famous 2014 study that suggested metformin users with type 2 diabetes outlive non‑diabetics, underscoring the limits of observational epidemiology and his own reasons for stopping metformin.
  3. Huberman presents a placebo/belief paper showing that smokers’ brains respond in a dose‑dependent way to how much nicotine they think they vaped, despite all receiving the same low dose, revealing that expectations can scale neural and behavioral drug effects.
  4. Across both discussions they model how to read scientific papers, think statistically, and separate mechanistic plausibility, biomarkers, and hype from data that meaningfully inform health and longevity decisions.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

The best current epidemiology does *not* support metformin as a longevity drug in healthy, non‑diabetic people.

The 2014 Bannister study found that type 2 diabetics on metformin had a ~15% lower all‑cause mortality than matched non‑diabetics. Attia explains that result relied on “informative censoring”: diabetics who worsened and left metformin (often by dying or needing stronger drugs) were removed from analysis, biasing survival upward. A newer Danish registry study (Keys et al.) with ~500,000 people, discordant twins, and sensitivity analyses (with and without censoring) showed diabetics on metformin still had *higher* mortality (hazard ratios ~1.3–2.1) than non‑diabetics. Metformin may still help diabetics versus *no* treatment, but there’s no credible evidence yet that it extends life beyond normal in healthy people.

Epidemiologic studies can look very convincing but are inherently limited by confounding and model choices.

Attia walks through Table 1 of the Keys paper to show how, even after matching age, sex, BMI, etc., medication use diverged massively: far more diabetics were on lipid‑lowering, antihypertensive, antiplatelet, and other drugs. Statistical adjustments (three levels of models) reduce but do not erase these differences, and you can never fully correct for unmeasured behaviors (diet quality, exercise, health consciousness). Large sample size and long follow‑up increase power, but without randomization you can’t cleanly isolate the causal effect of metformin.

Lifestyle interventions remain the foundation for glucose control and longevity; drugs are adjuncts, not substitutes.

Attia emphasizes that the primary causes of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes are energy imbalance, low physical activity, excess ectopic fat (fat in muscle, liver, pancreas), poor sleep, and chronic stress/hypercortisolemia. The earliest warning sign is *elevated insulin* with normal glucose, not glucose itself. Exercise (especially consistent, higher‑volume activity) and adequate sleep dramatically improve insulin sensitivity, sometimes cutting glucose disposal deficits in half within a week of better sleep. He still uses metformin for insulin‑resistant patients but does not see it as a blanket longevity tool for fit, insulin‑sensitive people.

Metformin has meaningful mechanistic downsides for performance and possibly hypertrophy, which matter in cost–benefit decisions.

Metformin weakly inhibits mitochondrial complex I, shifting fuel partitioning and raising basal lactate. When Attia started doing lactate‑based zone 2 training, his fasted resting lactate on metformin was ~1.6 mmol/L instead of <1.0 mmol/L, suggesting he was effectively slightly anaerobic at baseline. That, plus data that metformin may blunt strength and hypertrophy gains, pushed him to stop after years of use. For athletes or people prioritizing performance and muscle mass, those tradeoffs may outweigh any speculative geroprotective benefit.

Beliefs about drug dose can scale real brain responses in a dose‑dependent manner, not just subjective feelings.

In the Gu et al. nicotine study, experienced smokers vaped the *same* low nicotine dose but were told it was low, medium, or high. Their subjective ratings matched the instructions (they “felt” low/medium/high), but critically, fMRI showed that activity in thalamic–ventromedial prefrontal cortex circuits—central to attention and learning—scaled with the believed dose. The more nicotine they *thought* they got, the stronger the circuit activation, even though blood nicotine levels were essentially identical. This goes beyond classic placebo (drug vs no drug) to show true dose‑response in belief effects at the neural level.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

The Keys paper makes it undeniably clear that in that population, there was no advantage offered by metformin that undid the disadvantage of having type 2 diabetes.

Peter Attia

We have to walk around with an appropriate degree of humility about what we know and what we don’t know.

Peter Attia

What we are told about the dose of a drug changes the way that our physiology responds to the dose of the drug.

Andrew Huberman

Your brain is a prediction‑making machine, and one of the most important pieces of data it uses is your beliefs about what things do to you.

Andrew Huberman

Without good biomarkers of aging, we’re basically flying blind on most geroprotective interventions.

Peter Attia

Metformin as a geroprotective/longevity drug and its limitationsEpidemiology vs randomized controlled trials: design, power, and confoundersInsulin resistance, type 2 diabetes pathophysiology, and glucose‑lowering drugsExercise, sleep, and lifestyle versus pharmacologic glucose controlDose‑dependent belief effects and placebo/nocebo mechanisms in the brainNicotine’s cognitive mechanisms and fMRI measurement of thalamic circuitryHow to critically read and interpret scientific papers and statistics

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