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Micronutrients for Health & Longevity | Dr. Rhonda Patrick

My guest is Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D. She earned her doctoral degree in biomedical science from St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and has become one of the leading public health educators on the brain and general health, aging, cancer and nutrition. We discuss the four major categories of micronutrients that regulate cellular and organ stress, antioxidants, inflammation, hormone regulation, the immune system and longevity. Dr. Patrick provides actionable protocols for obtaining key micronutrients from food and/or supplement-based sources. Additionally, Dr. Patrick outlines protocols for deliberate cold and deliberate heat exposure to benefit metabolism, cardiorespiratory fitness, mental health and lifespan. For an up-to-date list of our current sponsors, please visit our website: https://www.hubermanlab.com/sponsors. Previous sponsors mentioned in this podcast episode may no longer be affiliated with us. Social & Website Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter - https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab Website - https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter - https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Dr. Rhonda Patrick Links Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/foundmyfitness Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/foundmyfitness Twitter: https://twitter.com/foundmyfitness YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/FoundMyFitness Article Links Vitamin D and the omega-3 fatty acids control serotonin synthesis and action, part 2: relevance for ADHD, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and impulsive behavior: https://bit.ly/37XbqBF Role of phosphatidylcholine-DHA in preventing APOE4-associated Alzheimer's disease: https://bit.ly/3wfwDPB Skin exposure to UVB light induces a skin-brain-gonad axis and sexual behavior: https://bit.ly/3OP5Tha Human physiological responses to immersion into water of different temperatures: https://bit.ly/3F1ZwCN Sauna use as a lifestyle practice to extend healthspan: https://bit.ly/3OKdRbv Other Links NRF2 Pathway, Moringa & Sulforaphane Supplementation: https://youtu.be/Q0lBVCpq8jc International Fish Oil Standards: https://bit.ly/3vzqoXI Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Rhonda Patrick – Micronutrients, Cold & Heat Exposure 00:03:12 Momentous Supplements 00:04:27 The Brain-Body Contract 00:05:30 AG1 (Athletic Greens), Thesis, InsideTracker 00:09:42 Stress Response Pathways, Hormesis 00:16:38 Plants, Polyphenols, Sulforaphane 00:21:12 Tools 1: Sulforaphane - Broccoli Sprouts, Broccoli, Mustard Seed 00:23:50 Tool 2: Moringa & Nrf2 Antioxidant Response 00:25:25 Sulforaphane: Antioxidants (Glutathione) & Air Pollution (Benzene Elimination) 00:27:10 Plants & Stress Response Pathways, Intermittent Challenges 00:29:35 Traumatic Brain Injury, Sulforaphane, Nrf2 00:35:08 Tools 3: Omega-3 Fatty Acids (ALA, EPA & DHA), Fish Oil, Oxidation 00:48:40 EPA Omega-3s & Depression 00:52:02 Krill Oil vs. Fish Oil Supplements? 00:54:23 Benefits of Omega-3 Fatty Acids, Omega-3 Index & Life Expectancy 00:59:24 Tool 4: Food Sources of EPA Omega-3s 01:06:07 Omega-3 Supplementation, Omega-3 Index Testing 01:10:22 Benefits of Omega-3s 01:14:40 Tool 5: Food Sources of DHA Omega-3s 01:17:07 Vitamin D & Sun Skin Exposure 01:22:18 Role of Vitamin D, Gene Regulation 01:25:30 Tool 6: Vitamin D Testing & Vitamin D3 Supplementation 01:33:15 Tool 7: Skin Surface Area & Sun Exposure, Vitamin D 01:34:23 Vitamin D & Longevity 01:36:46 Sun Exposure & Sunscreen 01:40:30 Role of Magnesium, Magnesium Sources, Dark Leafy Green Vegetables 01:44:50 Tool 8: Magnesium Supplements: Citrate, Threonate, Malate, Bisglycinate 01:50:57 Tool 9: Deliberate Cold Exposure Protocol & Mood/Anxiety 01:59:22 Tool 10: Cold Exposure, Mitochondria UCP1 & Heat Generation 02:02:30 Tool 11: Cold & Fat ‘Browning’, PGC-1alpha, Metabolism 02:05:08 Cold Exposure & High-Intensity Interval Training (HIIT), PGC-1alpha, Muscle 02:08:04 Tools 12: Exercise, HIIT, Tabata & Sauna 02:13:30 Tool 13: Sauna, Endorphins/Dynorphins, Mood 02:17:45 Tool 14: Mild Stress, Adrenaline & Memory 02:19:53 Sauna, Vasodilation & Alzheimer’s and Dementia Risk 02:25:30 Sauna Benefits, Cardiorespiratory Fitness, Heat Shock Proteins (HSPs) 02:31:29 Insulin signaling, FOXO3 & Longevity 02:33:22 Tools 16: Sauna Protocols, Hot Baths & Fertility 02:37:41 Tool 17: Exercise & Longevity, Osteocalcin 02:41:37 Tools 18: Red Light Sauna? Infrared Sauna? Sauna & Sweating of Heavy Metals 02:47:20 FoundMyFitness Podcast, Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Patreon, Momentous Supplements, Huberman Lab on Instagram & Twitter Disclaimer: https://hubermanlab.com/disclaimer

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May 1, 20222h 49mWatch on YouTube ↗

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WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Sauna, Cold, and Micronutrients: Rhonda Patrick’s Longevity Blueprint Explained

  1. Andrew Huberman interviews Dr. Rhonda Patrick about how specific micronutrients, heat, and cold stress can be used to enhance health, brain function, and longevity. They focus on three major nutrient pillars—sulforaphane-rich cruciferous vegetables, marine omega-3 fatty acids, and vitamin D—plus the often-overlooked role of magnesium. Patrick explains how intermittent hormetic stressors like sauna, cold exposure, and high-intensity exercise trigger genetic stress-response pathways that improve resilience, metabolism, and protect the brain. The conversation is rich in mechanisms (Nrf2, heat shock proteins, UCP1, PGC-1α, FOXO3) and concludes with Patrick’s own weekly protocols for exercise, sauna, cold, and supplementation.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Use cruciferous vegetables and sulforaphane-rich foods to activate Nrf2 and protect the brain and DNA.

Sulforaphane, abundant in broccoli sprouts and present in broccoli, activates the Nrf2 pathway, upregulating detoxification enzymes (e.g., glutathione-related genes) that neutralize carcinogens like heterocyclic amines and airborne toxins (e.g., benzene, acrolein). Human studies show broccoli sprout extracts increase brain and plasma glutathione, reduce DNA damage in blood cells, and enhance excretion of environmental pollutants within 24 hours. Cooking broccoli reduces sulforaphane, but lightly steaming plus adding ~1 g mustard seed powder (for myrosinase) can restore and even multiply sulforaphane yield.

Target 2–4 grams per day of EPA+DHA and track your omega‑3 index for longevity and mood.

Patrick emphasizes the omega‑3 index (EPA+DHA in red blood cells) as a superior long‑term biomarker vs plasma levels. Typical Americans are around 4–5%; Japanese average ~10–11% and live about five years longer on average. Observational data show moving from ~4% to ~8% omega‑3 index is associated with about five years greater life expectancy; smokers with high omega‑3 index have mortality risk similar to non‑smokers with low omega‑3. Human trials show ~2 g/day EPA can blunt LPS‑induced depressive symptoms, and EPA/DHA broadly resolve inflammation, modulate serotonin and dopamine systems, and support membrane fluidity in neurons. Patrick personally takes ~4 g/day, splits EPA morning and DHA evening, stores fish oil in the fridge, and uses IFOS and ConsumerLab to vet brands for oxidation and contaminants.

Measure and optimize vitamin D as a hormone, not just a vitamin.

Vitamin D (specifically 1,25‑dihydroxyvitamin D) is a steroid hormone that binds the vitamin D receptor (VDR), dimerizes with RXR, and regulates >5% of the protein‑coding genome via vitamin D response elements (VDREs). It directly regulates tryptophan hydroxylase‑2 in the brain (serotonin synthesis) and influences immunity, blood pressure, bone metabolism, and more. About 70% of the U.S. population has inadequate vitamin D (<30 ng/mL). Common SNPs in vitamin D metabolism genes causally link low vitamin D to higher all‑cause, cancer, and respiratory mortality and increased multiple sclerosis risk (Mendelian randomization). Roughly 1,000 IU/day typically raises 25(OH)D by ~5 ng/mL; many people need 4,000–5,000 IU/day, and some with genetic variants need far more. Patrick advocates measuring levels, aiming roughly for 40–60 ng/mL, and remembering that sun exposure plus skin surface area exposed matters.

Don’t neglect magnesium; it underpins ATP production and DNA repair.

Around 40% of Americans do not get adequate magnesium, an essential cofactor for ATP production, ATP utilization, and DNA repair enzymes. Insufficiency may cause ongoing, invisible molecular damage (e.g., impaired DNA repair) rather than obvious acute symptoms like scurvy from vitamin C deficiency. Dark leafy greens (kale, spinach, chard, romaine) are primary dietary sources because magnesium sits at the center of the chlorophyll molecule. Patrick supplements modestly (~130–135 mg/day, often as citrate or other forms), both to support general metabolism and vitamin D activation, and suggests magnesium malate, threonate, or bisglycinate depending on goals and GI tolerance.

Leverage sauna and hot baths as ‘passive cardio’ and longevity tools.

Large Finnish cohort studies show dose‑dependent benefits: using a sauna 4–7 times per week (at ~174°F/79°C for ~20+ minutes) is associated with ~50% lower cardiovascular mortality, >60% lower dementia and Alzheimer’s risk, and marked reductions in sudden cardiac death, versus once‑weekly use. Time matters: sessions under ~11 minutes at that temperature provide far less benefit. Mechanisms include cardiovascular adaptations similar to moderate‑intensity exercise (transient elevated heart rate and blood pressure followed by lower resting values), robust activation of heat shock proteins (HSPs) that protect against protein aggregation and aid cellular repair, and possible effects on mood via endorphins and dynorphin. For those without a sauna, 20-minute 104°F (40°C) shoulder-deep hot baths can also robustly induce HSPs and BDNF.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

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Humans evolved to intermittently challenge ourselves, and we’re not doing that anymore.

Rhonda Patrick

Sulforaphane is a very powerful activator of the Nrf2 pathway… it’s like a low-hanging fruit for detoxifying carcinogens we’re exposed to every day.

Rhonda Patrick

Most Americans that are not eating a lot of fish and they’re not supplementing are probably around a 4 to 5% omega‑3 index. To get to 8%, you need about two grams a day.

Rhonda Patrick

Vitamin D is regulating more than 5% of the protein-encoded human genome… imagine 70% of the population having insufficient testosterone—that’s basically what’s happening with vitamin D.

Rhonda Patrick

People that used the sauna four to seven times a week had more than a 60% reduction in dementia and Alzheimer’s disease risk compared to once a week.

Rhonda Patrick

Hormesis and intermittent physiological stressors (heat, cold, fasting, exercise, plant compounds)Sulforaphane, Nrf2 activation, and detoxification / neuroprotectionMarine omega-3 fatty acids (EPA, DHA), mood, inflammation, and omega-3 indexVitamin D as a steroid hormone, genetic variability, and mortality riskMagnesium, mitochondrial function, DNA repair, and dietary sources/supplementationSauna and hot baths: heat shock proteins, cardiovascular and brain health, longevityCold exposure: norepinephrine, brown/beige fat, mitochondrial biogenesis, and mood

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