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The Science of Learning & Speaking Languages | Dr. Eddie Chang

My guest is Eddie Chang, MD, a neurosurgeon and professor of neurological surgery at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), and the co-director of the Center for Neural Engineering & Prostheses. We discuss the brain mechanisms underlying speech, language learning and comprehension, communicating human emotion with words and hand gestures, bilingualism and language disorders such as stuttering. Dr. Chang also explains his work developing and applying state-of-the-art technology to decode speech and using that information and artificial intelligence (AI) to successfully restore communication to patients who have suffered paralyzing injuries or locked-in syndrome. We also discuss his work treating patients with epilepsy. Finally, we consider the future: how modern neuroscience is overturning textbook medical books, the impact of digital technology such as smartphones on language and the future of natural and computer-assisted human communication. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman Levels: https://www.levelshealth.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman Huberman Lab Premium https://hubermanlab.com/premium Social & Website Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hubermanlab Twitter: https://twitter.com/hubermanlab Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hubermanlab TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@hubermanlab LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-huberman Website: https://hubermanlab.com Newsletter: https://hubermanlab.com/neural-network Dr. Eddie Chang Support research in the Chang Laboratory: https://changlab.ucsf.edu/support-our-work Dr. Chang’s lab: https://changlab.ucsf.edu Academic profile & publications: https://profiles.ucsf.edu/edward.chang UCSF clinical profile: https://www.ucsfhealth.org/providers/dr-edward-chang Articles Neuroprosthesis for Decoding Speech in a Paralyzed Person with Anarthria: https://bit.ly/3sjv5Cx Articles in the News Tapping Into the Brain to Help a Paralyzed Man Speak: https://nyti.ms/3f0AM5c How Brain-Computer Interfaces Could Restore Speech and Help Fight Depression: https://on.wsj.com/3f1iBMH Decoded Brain Signals Could Give Voiceless People A Way To Talk: https://n.pr/3gujhdP Timestamps 00:00:00 Dr. Eddie Chang, Speech & Language 00:03:00 Levels, Eight Sleep, InsideTracker, Momentous Supplements 00:07:19 Neuroplasticity, Learning of Speech & Environmental Sounds 00:13:10 White Noise Machines, Infant Sleep & Sensitization 00:17:26 Mapping Speech & Language in the Brain 00:24:26 Emotion; Anxiety & Epilepsy 00:30:19 Epilepsy, Medications & Neurosurgery 00:33:01 Ketogenic Diet & Epilepsy 00:34:56 AG1 (Athletic Greens) 00:36:10 Absence Seizures, Nocturnal Seizures & Other Seizure Types 00:41:08 Brain Areas for Speech & Language, Broca’s & Wernicke’s Areas, New Findings 00:53:23 Lateralization of Speech/Language & Handedness, Strokes 00:59:05 Bilingualism, Shared Language Circuits 01:01:18 Speech vs. Language, Signal Transduction from Ear to Brain 01:12:38 Shaping Breath: Larynx, Vocal Folds & Pharynx; Vocalizations 01:17:37 Mapping Language in the Brain 01:20:26 Plosives & Consonant Clusters; Learning Multiple Languages 01:25:07 Motor Patterns of Speech & Language 01:28:33 Reading & Writing; Dyslexia & Treatments 01:34:47 Evolution of Language 01:37:54 Stroke & Foreign Accent Syndrome 01:40:31 Auditory Memory, Long-Term Motor Memory 01:45:26 Paralysis, ALS, “Locked-In Syndrome” & Brain Computer Interface (BCI) 02:02:14 Neuralink, BCI, Superhuman Skills & Augmentation 02:10:21 Non-Verbal Communication, Facial Expressions, BCI & Avatars 02:17:35 Stutter, Anxiety & Treatment 02:22:55 Tools: Practices for Maintaining Calm Under Extreme Demands 02:31:10 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous Supplements, Huberman Lab Premium, Neural Network Newsletter, Social Media Huberman Lab is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions.

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Oct 23, 20222h 34mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Unlocking Speech: Brain Plasticity, Language Maps, and Neural Prosthetics Revolution

  1. Neurosurgeon and neuroscientist Dr. Eddie Chang explains how the brain learns, produces, and understands speech and language, emphasizing critical periods in development and the deep link between hearing and speaking. He describes classic language models (Broca’s and Wernicke’s areas), how modern human recordings are overturning textbook views, and what that means for bilingualism, reading, and disorders like epilepsy, dyslexia, and stuttering.
  2. Chang details his team’s groundbreaking brain–computer interface work that restores communication to people with locked‑in paralysis by decoding speech signals directly from the cortex and converting them to text and even animated facial avatars. He also discusses emotional circuits, seizure types, the ketogenic diet for epilepsy, and how language lateralization and handedness interact.
  3. The conversation ranges from early rodent studies on auditory critical periods and concerns about infant white-noise exposure to future directions in neurotechnology, including ethical questions around cognitive enhancement and neural augmentation beyond medical restoration.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Early sound environments shape auditory cortex and language sensitivity via critical periods.

Chang’s rodent work with Merzenich showed that raising rat pups in continuous white noise masks natural environmental sounds and keeps the auditory critical period open far longer than normal, but in a delayed, immature state. In humans, infants start broadly sensitive to many speech sounds, then specialize to their native language(s). This suggests that early, structured, natural sound exposure (voices, speech prosody, environmental sounds) is essential for normal auditory and language development, and that chronically masking those sounds could retard maturation.

Chronic white-noise exposure in infants is biologically plausible to affect development, but human data are lacking.

The rat data raise concern that continuous white noise could interfere with the brain’s normal process of tuning to salient environmental sounds, but Chang emphasizes there are no definitive human studies yet, especially for night‑only use. He personally avoided white-noise machines for his children and suggests parents consider replacing unstructured white noise with more natural, structured sounds (e.g., gentle environmental sounds, voices, music) until better evidence exists.

Classic textbook maps of language (Broca’s and Wernicke’s areas) are oversimplified and partly wrong.

Historical lesion work led to the idea that Broca’s area in the left inferior frontal gyrus is the seat of speech production and Wernicke’s area in the posterior temporal lobe is for comprehension. In hundreds of awake-brain surgeries and direct cortical recordings, Chang finds that removing or stimulating classic “Broca’s area” often does not abolish speech, whereas a nearby region—the precentral gyrus/motor cortex controlling lips, jaw, and larynx—can be crucial for both articulation and word formulation. Wernicke’s‑like posterior temporal areas do remain critical for comprehension and word retrieval, but the real language network is more distributed, overlapping, and motor-linked than the canonical diagrams suggest.

Speech perception maps low-level acoustic features into articulatory building blocks that combine into all words.

In human Wernicke’s-region recordings, Chang’s team sees millimeter‑scale sites tuned to specific phonetic features: plosives (ba, da, ga), fricatives (s, sh, th), vowels, and articulatory movements of lips, tongue, jaw, and larynx. These are organized in a salt‑and‑pepper fashion rather than a clean gradient map. Roughly 12 articulatory features (movement primitives) can be combined in sequences to generate all phonemes of English (∼40) and, by extension, an effectively infinite vocabulary—analogous to four DNA bases generating all genetic information.

Language lateralization is strong but not absolute, and relates to handedness and plasticity.

For right‑handed people, about 99% have language dominance in the left hemisphere. For left‑handers, about 70% are still left‑dominant, with the rest showing right or bilateral representation. The structural anatomy of left and right temporal/frontal regions looks very similar, suggesting both sides have the machinery to support language. After left‑hemisphere strokes, some language functions can reorganize locally or even shift partly to the right hemisphere, underscoring that lateralization is a bias, not a rigid rule.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

If you basically mask environmental sounds from these rat pups, the critical period… can stay open much, much longer, and… it slowed the maturation of the auditory cortex.

Dr. Eddie Chang

The idea that [Broca’s area] is the basis of speaking… is fundamentally wrong right now, and we have to figure out how to correct the textbooks.

Dr. Eddie Chang

We’ve shown that when patients have surgeries or injuries to [speech motor cortex], it actually can really interrupt language. It’s not as simple as just moving the muscles of the vocal tract.

Dr. Eddie Chang

You have these 12 movements and you put them in combinations… we as humans use those 12 set of features to generate all words.

Dr. Eddie Chang

The proof of principle is out there that you can decode speech… The first time we saw [Pancho] get a word out on the screen, he started to giggle.

Dr. Eddie Chang

Critical periods and auditory plasticity in language developmentNeural organization of speech vs. language (Broca’s, Wernicke’s, motor cortex)Epilepsy: seizure types, treatments, surgery, and ketogenic dietBilingualism, reading, dyslexia, and language lateralizationBrain–computer interfaces for restoring speech in locked‑in patientsEmotional and cognitive circuits (amygdala, insula, orbitofrontal cortex)Stuttering, motor control of speech, and auditory feedback

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